Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm
New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.
They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.
Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.
He killed a made guy off the record? Of course he did. "Off the record" fits his narrative of his hard to prove stories.
And those arrests for "prostitution" i wonder if it's for soliciting a prostitute. Did he display those records?
You feel like there has to be some truth to it if a credible podcast company is giving him a spot. But then again, nobody is really paying attention anymore...
Reminds me of that book Sleepers where the author used real events to try to make you think he was involved. Total bullshit.
Highly doubt the outfit was recruiting 17 year old drug addicts to be top hitmen. Too bad this podcast and to use the name crooked county. That would be a great name for an actual legit podcast about the outfit
Ed wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:20 am
As I recall, Antiliar concluded that this source was, indeed, Wemette.
Antilliar concluded that CG-8534 was Wemette, and I agree (I recently cited some of the intel relayed by this informant in 1979 concerning Spilotro and Schweihs).
The excerpt that "7Digits" posted above was from Schweihs's FBI file, and of course the identifying codes for the informants there (and names of the agents handling them) were redacted. There were two informants, denoted as CG-1 and CG-3, in the excerpt. One of them *could have been* Wemette, certainly. These informants were interviewed in 1973. The earliest that *I* can say with certainty that CG-8534 was informing was June of 1974, though that doesn't necessarily mean that he hadn't started earlier (I don't recall offhand if Wemette was more specific in his book about when he started actually giving intel to the FBI).
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:05 pm
Reminds me of that book Sleepers where the author used real events to try to make you think he was involved. Total bullshit.
Highly doubt the outfit was recruiting 17 year old drug addicts to be top hitmen. Too bad this podcast and to use the name crooked county. That would be a great name for an actual legit podcast about the outfit
The irony is also that this guy was in fact out in DuPage County, but I guess that doesn't lend itself to the same puns (Du Payoff County??).
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
I understand that. Its a proven fact that sometimes guys are more important than what they are labeled as. Which to me if I'm playing the percentages I firmly believe Bobby has more status than just some "associate."
This channel is rife with false info but kind of interesting to see the AI (I say 'AL' to my grandkids as a joke) make these come to life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEdopcb6sc
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
I understand that. Its a proven fact that sometimes guys are more important than what they are labeled as. Which to me if I'm playing the percentages I firmly believe Bobby has more status than just some "associate."
There is no concrete evidence that Spina, Vena or Dominic are made even though i believe it is highly unlikely that they are not. I might be going out on a limb for this but I would say Dominic is higher ranking than Spina. The fact that it came out that Dominic has control over at least 3 sweep stake machine companies tells me he is a huge money maker. He is also very close with some very heavy outfit guys like Vena and Posner. Spina has never really been implicated in anything besides driving Lombardo around on city time.
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
I understand that. Its a proven fact that sometimes guys are more important than what they are labeled as. Which to me if I'm playing the percentages I firmly believe Bobby has more status than just some "associate."
There is no concrete evidence that Spina, Vena or Dominic are made even though i believe it is highly unlikely that they are not. I might be going out on a limb for this but I would say Dominic is higher ranking than Spina. The fact that it came out that Dominic has control over at least 3 sweep stake machine companies tells me he is a huge money maker. He is also very close with some very heavy outfit guys like Vena and Posner. Spina has never really been implicated in anything besides driving Lombardo around on city time.
Exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for your insight and agreed opinion on Dominic that he is more than likely the one running that crew instead of Spina. Dominic running things for Albie just makes more sense when you look at the big picture.
This illustrates why discussing the modern outfit is so tough. By all accounts, we can almost be certain that Vena, Spina, and Dominic are made members, but no one can officially confirm that via law enforcement reports, which is wild considering how long those guys have been associated with the outfit, even semi-publicly. Think about the late 90's early 2000's era, when all anyone talked about was Difronzo and Lombardo as being boss, but it was actually Monteleone running things. And hell, there is some information to indicate that Lombardo might have actually been shelved sometime in that era...the guy that most people at the time called the boss!
When talk of leadership roles or who is boss comes up these days, the three most common names thrown around are Solly D., Vena, and Cautadella. If there is still a traditional "boss" in the sense that we are all accustomed to, I would not be shocked at all if it was someone completely out of left field and not one of the 3 guys I mentioned.
Coloboy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:22 pm
This illustrates why discussing the modern outfit is so tough. By all accounts, we can almost be certain that Vena, Spina, and Dominic are made members, but no one can officially confirm that via law enforcement reports, which is wild considering how long those guys have been associated with the outfit, even semi-publicly. Think about the late 90's early 2000's era, when all anyone talked about was Difronzo and Lombardo as being boss, but it was actually Monteleone running things. And hell, there is some information to indicate that Lombardo might have actually been shelved sometime in that era...the guy that most people at the time called the boss!
When talk of leadership roles or who is boss comes up these days, the three most common names thrown around are Solly D., Vena, and Cautadella. If there is still a traditional "boss" in the sense that we are all accustomed to, I would not be shocked at all if it was someone completely out of left field and not one of the 3 guys I mentioned.
Agreed.
The GENOVESE in NEW YORK are absolute masters at deceiving people and the FBI in regards to who is really running things in that family. Seems like the same holds true in regards to the Chicago Outfit as well.
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
I understand that. Its a proven fact that sometimes guys are more important than what they are labeled as. Which to me if I'm playing the percentages I firmly believe Bobby has more status than just some "associate."
There is no concrete evidence that Spina, Vena or Dominic are made even though i believe it is highly unlikely that they are not. I might be going out on a limb for this but I would say Dominic is higher ranking than Spina. The fact that it came out that Dominic has control over at least 3 sweep stake machine companies tells me he is a huge money maker. He is also very close with some very heavy outfit guys like Vena and Posner. Spina has never really been implicated in anything besides driving Lombardo around on city time.
You must not have read the Stier, Malone, Anderson Report. Spina was integral in the broader union scheme and controlled Jimmy Boy Cozzo's relatives in several leadership positions after he passed. He was on surveillance meeting with Vena and Andriacchi multiple times and this was decades ago. Today, we know he's a multimillionaire in real estate.
Dominic was more interesting to me as it appeared he was working for Frank Schweis at some point given he took over protection of the Weiss prostitution places when Schweis was on the run during Family Secrets.
A few interesting tidbits I've learned about Dominic -
Richard's is named after his late brother. Bunny Dominic married a Jewish guy whose family owned the Harlem Globetrotters (Avi Berkeley). They are also related to Posners by marriage.
Gotta say the remaining guys in Chicago seem to make big money.
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:24 am
Back on the subject of Bobby Dominic.
Where does he stand in the Oufits organization right now? Would it be a safe bet to say he's the acting Capo of Grand Ave right now instead of Spina? I wouldn't doubt that at all to be honest with you.
Your thoughts?
Everything, including recently, has identified him as an associate. Not sure where acting capo comes from. Who says he's even made?
I understand that. Its a proven fact that sometimes guys are more important than what they are labeled as. Which to me if I'm playing the percentages I firmly believe Bobby has more status than just some "associate."
There is no concrete evidence that Spina, Vena or Dominic are made even though i believe it is highly unlikely that they are not. I might be going out on a limb for this but I would say Dominic is higher ranking than Spina. The fact that it came out that Dominic has control over at least 3 sweep stake machine companies tells me he is a huge money maker. He is also very close with some very heavy outfit guys like Vena and Posner. Spina has never really been implicated in anything besides driving Lombardo around on city time.
You must not have read the Stier, Malone, Anderson Report. Spina was integral in the broader union scheme and controlled Jimmy Boy Cozzo's relatives in several leadership positions after he passed. He was on surveillance meeting with Vena and Andriacchi multiple times and this was decades ago. Today, we know he's a multimillionaire in real estate.
Dominic was more interesting to me as it appeared he was working for Frank Schweis at some point given he took over protection of the Weiss prostitution places when Schweis was on the run during Family Secrets.
A few interesting tidbits I've learned about Dominic -
Richard's is named after his late brother. Bunny Dominic married a Jewish guy whose family owned the Harlem Globetrotters (Avi Berkeley). They are also related to Posners by marriage.
Gotta say the remaining guys in Chicago seem to make big money.
You’re right he was big into the union schemes. But nothing illegal enough to get him indicted.
As I mentioned in the past, Spina is no hermit. I have seen him out more times than I can count. Last time I saw him he was at the Rosemont Outlet mall walking around by himself which I thought was funny bc usually you think of these big shots having body guards shadowing them. He is in the company of Fratto a lot. He also hangs at the Hardware store on Grand Ave.
Avi Berkeley is the front boss for one of the sweep stake machine companies that Bobby controls. Avi is big money and lives up in the North Shore area.
Posner has always fascinated me for the simple fact that the guy actually controls huge casinos in Aruba. He obviously got to that position through the Outfit but I would love to know exactly how it happened.
Since we are talking about current Outfit bosses, I will throw this out there. I have heard recently from a retired Outfit guy that the current boss is Rudy Fratto. To me that makes perfect sense. Fratto has a table at Capri where people come to pay him respect and despite being 80 or so he still is active and likes the power that the image brings.
