Nepotism in the mob

[pat_marcy]

Jmac. Course he made money his dad was the boss. Probably set him up with loads of different connections he’d have had. He weren’t really respected in Philly was he therefore I’d say he was a nepo baby. If his dad weren’t the boss he’d have been a nobody like the rest of us.
I don’t think you necessarily need to be a tough guy committing murders to be respected. Chicago had a few top guys who weren’t really killers for example so I don’t make that argument. As for not ratting then yeah in that world that is a rarity for the time he’s done so fair play to him for that.

[furiofromnaples]

People like to make fun of the Angiulo brothers because Jerry Angiulo bought his way in. Yet none of the brothers ever flipped and made loads of money for the Patriarca Family. Maybe not good examples of nepotism but this thread reminded me of them.

Jerry bought his way but the other brothers doesn't and was very feared and respected.

[jmack]

Jmac. Course he made money his dad was the boss. Probably set him up with loads of different connections he’d have had. He weren’t really respected in Philly was he therefore I’d say he was a nepo baby. If his dad weren’t the boss he’d have been a nobody like the rest of us.
I don’t think you necessarily need to be a tough guy committing murders to be respected. Chicago had a few top guys who weren’t really killers for example so I don’t make that argument. As for not ratting then yeah in that world that is a rarity for the time he’s done so fair play to him for that.

What money did he make when his dad was the boss? He didn’t catch his first case until his dad was away for a few years. I am pretty up on my 80’s Scarfo era as it’s mainly what I focus on. I haven’t heard one allegation of him being involved in anything serious when his dad was still on the street. Of course he was doing little things, but nothing major. When he got to North Jersey he started a pretty big book. After he was released from that case he became capo (some years later). His multimillion dollar fraud came after his dad was away for 20+ years and nobody recognized him as boss anymore. Again, I just don’t see what you’re saying as being valid.

[pat_marcy]

So he was a nepo baby till his dad went away you could say haha

[johnny_scootch]

So he was a nepo baby till his dad went away you could say haha

No actually you couldn't say that at all.

[Pogo The Clown]

Junior Gotti is a big example. He was made very young without having to do anything and very soon after was promoted to Captain (the youngest in the country) without really doing anything other than being the son of the Boss.


Pogo

[johnny_scootch]

Junior Gotti is a big example. He was made very young without having to do anything and very soon after was promoted to Captain (the youngest in the country) without really doing anything other than being the son of the Boss.


Pogo

Good call, I’d say he’s actually the poster boy for nepotism in the mafia.

[Laughmatics]

Nicky Scarfo Jr took 5 shots from an Uzi, said nothing. Took a 30-year sentence on the chin, said nothing. And he proved that he can make money. It matters not what he did when his father was on the streets, he cut his own cloth.

[pat_marcy]

Ok. I stand corrected. Cheers for the info boys

[pat_marcy]

What about leonetti?

[Ridgewood 79]

Jr Gotti 1000 percent I seen that debacle personally just didn't wanna start a mob tube thing on this forum especially with dudes dum sister God she's stupid

[Adam]

Detroit must have a few nepo babies surely

I think for Detroit the one that sticks out is Anthony Zerilli. If not for his dad kind of seems like he would have been a nobody. Caused all kinds of problems for the family. I'd put Michael Polizzi on that list too. And Nove Tocco.

[CornerBoy]

Jr Gotti 1000 percent I seen that debacle personally just didn't wanna start a mob tube thing on this forum especially with dudes dum sister God she's stupid

not john gotti's daughter. fbi report from the 70's talking about it that ive seen. why would the cops lie when he was just a young thug.

Junior is a rat, which i have no problem with but he shouldn't espouse all that omerta tough guy shit.

Funny how she never talks about her brother and nephew living w her mom selling oxy's, destroying HB.

Nevermentions uncle vinnie.

She's a dumb, vapid, insipid retard.

[Stroccos]

I would add Carmen Milano to that list , never would have been made hadn't been for his dad being a legend , and brother becoming La boss ,

I think Anthony Milano had very little to do with Carmen becoming a member, it was very clearly his brother Peter who brought him to Southern California. Despite their later issues in the 1990s when activity for Los Angeles briefly ramped up in the early-to-mid 1980s, Carmen was his brother's strongest supporter (outside of Louie Gelfuso) and it's pretty easy to see why he would be made the underboss instead of someone like Jimmy Caci or Jack LoCicero.

From Craig Fiato's account, Carmen was apparently also better connected to the New York families.

We often hear from Fratianno and Kenji Gallo that Peter Milano was only made as a result of nepotism but that glosses over the fact that he had been an associate since the late 1940s, was at one point married to an important San Jose member's daughter and through connections with the Dippolito/Brooklier crew, had built up his own operations in San Fernando etc.

True that Anthony Milano was dead by then , but many syndicate peoples sons got respect for simply being someones son , i don't recall every meeting Peter so I cant comment on him, although it would seem Peter father helped him get associated but as you stated he cut his own teeth in LA for the most part ,being from Cleveland
I did meet Carmen Milano before always was nice guy , a good friend of mine was busted in the workman comp case with him , Carmen or another made guys son whose names escapes was his lawyer , flushed his life when he lost his law license , could of made a great living as a attorney had he played in straight just doing WC and teamster work , he was never getting made in Cleveland zero chance , with out his brother being boss he never gets made anywhere ,
I can only guess Peter wanted someone he could fully trust as no 2 , it would be interesting to KNow what Jimmy Caci thought of Carmen , We know Jack Locicerio had zero repsect for him he was caught on a wire bad mouthing the mILanos , to me he's a nepo baby and not a tuff guy at all I wouldn't fear him even if he was underboss

[JoePuzzles234]

True that Anthony Milano was dead by then , but many syndicate peoples sons got respect for simply being someones son , i don't recall every meeting Peter so I cant comment on him, although it would seem Peter father helped him get associated but as you stated he cut his own teeth in LA for the most part ,being from Cleveland

Peter acted as an usher at Anna Dragna's wedding to Steve Niotta along with Paul Adamo (Girolamo's stepson), through the relationship between Anthony/Josephine Milano and Jack/Frances Dragna so his family connections would have definitely helped early on.

I can only guess Peter wanted someone he could fully trust as no 2 , it would be interesting to KNow what Jimmy Caci thought of Carmen , We know Jack Locicerio had zero repsect for him he was caught on a wire bad mouthing the mILanos , to me he's a nepo baby and not a tuff guy at all I wouldn't fear him even if he was underboss

Yes, despite their later problems it does appear that Peter was closer to Carmen than Frank Angelo and John or at least trusted him the most from a criminal standpoint. There are photos of Carmen with Nicholas A. Nardi and Russell Masetta as well as pictures of him at Masetta's wedding to Peter's daughter (February 1976, when Pete would have been in Terminal Island), which helps to demonstrate their relationship.

Kenji doesn't seem to have shared anything about Jimmy Caci and Carmen interacting (outside of the Palm Springs ceremony) but we do know that Stephen Cino (later Jimmy's acting captain) would meet with Milano at John Mascia's deli in Las Vegas with Gallo at times. They don't seem to have had any problems with each other but we obviously can't assume that extended to the rest of the crew.

As for LoCicero, he was an old-time member and formerly under Michael Rizzitello so his opinions about the brothers were probably doubly negative. Peter Milano doesn't seem to have really valued the consigliere position much either way - LoCicero was a leftover from the Brooklier admin and was never formally replaced after he died.

Both Fiato and Gallo believed Carmen to be the "tougher brother" but that doesn't really mean much in a 1980s California family.