I'd personally hold off on adding any of the ones you mentioned. I think that you could safely assume some are made, but I don't know what your criteria for including names is (I assume official documentation of some sort).JoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:19 amIt is sorta similar to Angelo Marino's son, Salvatore, the San Jose guy. I also doubt either Smaldone was made.Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:56 am The Eugene Smaldone that died recently was Clyde Smaldone's son, he was in his 90s and probably not even a criminal. Eugene Louis Smaldone is/was the son of Eugene "Checkers" Smaldone and was the dope dealer son that was shunned by the family - "Flipper" is his nickname. Not sure if he is still alive, couldn't locate an obituary.
Sciortino I think was related to the Civellas in some manner as well, also don't really have any insight into KC personally.I did compile some names but ultimately didn't include the list - looking back now, they should probably have been there:
• Paul Carparelli, 55
• Anthony Dote, 71
• Christopher Spina, 70
• Gary Gagliano, 80
• Nicholas Cataduella, 64
• Louis Rainone, 50s
• Robert Panozzo Snr, 63
• Matteo Lobue
• Massimo Lobue
• Jason Nitti
• Dino Marino, 65
• Nicholas Ferriola, 47
I'm sure I missed some names here for suspected members in any case.Thanks for the info and explanation. Do you know if Joseph DiFronzo is still alive? He'd be very old these days.Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:07 am Bellavia, Bruno Caruso, and Rocco Lombardo have all been listed as made. Joseph DiFronzo and Michael Talarico have also been, but there status as members is seriously doubtful. The source for this is the Chicago Police Department booklet which has listings of crews with additional identifications of "made" members. I'm almost certain they received this intel from the FBI as they worked together on task forces investigating the Chicago LCN.
I'm sure there are more that are unnamed, but they haven't been identified by official LE sources.
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So far as I’m aware, Joe DiFronzo is still alive at 87 years old.
I agree with Snakes that DiFronzo’s member status is questionable. He’s a possibility, sure, but I don’t consider him a confirmed member.
I agree with Snakes that DiFronzo’s member status is questionable. He’s a possibility, sure, but I don’t consider him a confirmed member.
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Just to clarify, you're saying those 5 guys above were listed as made members by the Chicago PD (likely from FBI intel)? I ask because I remember you doing a tiered list of Chicago a while back - sort of liks positively made, probable made, etc.Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:07 am Bellavia, Bruno Caruso, and Rocco Lombardo have all been listed as made. Joseph DiFronzo and Michael Talarico have also been, but there status as members is seriously doubtful. The source for this is the Chicago Police Department booklet which has listings of crews with additional identifications of "made" members. I'm almost certain they received this intel from the FBI as they worked together on task forces investigating the Chicago LCN.
I'm sure there are more that are unnamed, but they haven't been identified by official LE sources.
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Yes, to the first. I remember doing the tiered list but that was before the Chicago PD list.Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:06 pmJust to clarify, you're saying those 5 guys above were listed as made members by the Chicago PD (likely from FBI intel)? I ask because I remember you doing a tiered list of Chicago a while back - sort of liks positively made, probable made, etc.Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:07 am Bellavia, Bruno Caruso, and Rocco Lombardo have all been listed as made. Joseph DiFronzo and Michael Talarico have also been, but there status as members is seriously doubtful. The source for this is the Chicago Police Department booklet which has listings of crews with additional identifications of "made" members. I'm almost certain they received this intel from the FBI as they worked together on task forces investigating the Chicago LCN.
I'm sure there are more that are unnamed, but they haven't been identified by official LE sources.
Using guys from the Chicago PD list also fit into redacted spots on the 1993 list. I also used the PD list and Nick Calabrese testimony to more or less figure out the identities of the "28 members." Those are two reasons why I have confidence in the PD list being made with FBI intel (even if some of that intel was inaccurate).
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Not to stray too far off-topic, but here was the Chicago PD list (I alphabetized the names and left out associates). As near as I can tell, the list is from 1999 or so. It has 38 names listed, which is a very reasonable number for membership at this time, as far as I'm concerned:
Joseph Andriacchi
Donald Angelini
Carmine Bastone
Robert Bellavia
Frank Calabrese Sr.
Bruno Caruso
Frank Caruso
Anthony Centracchio
James Cerone
Anthony Chiaramonti
Nicholas Ciotti
Dominic Cortina
J. Vincent Cozzo
Marco D'Amico
Salvatore DeLaurentis
James DiForti
John DiFronzo
Joseph DiFronzo
Peter DiFronzo
Rudolph Fratto
Joseph Grieco
Rocco Infelise
Joseph LaMantia
Joseph Lombardo, Sr.
Rocco Lombardo
Michael Magnafichi
James Marcello
Louis Marino
John Matassa, Jr.
William Messino
John Monteleone
Dominick Palermo
Lawrence Petitt
Robert Salerno
Michael Talarico
Albert Tocco
Angelo Volpe
Anthony Zizzo
Joseph Andriacchi
Donald Angelini
Carmine Bastone
Robert Bellavia
Frank Calabrese Sr.
Bruno Caruso
Frank Caruso
Anthony Centracchio
James Cerone
Anthony Chiaramonti
Nicholas Ciotti
Dominic Cortina
J. Vincent Cozzo
Marco D'Amico
Salvatore DeLaurentis
James DiForti
John DiFronzo
Joseph DiFronzo
Peter DiFronzo
Rudolph Fratto
Joseph Grieco
Rocco Infelise
Joseph LaMantia
Joseph Lombardo, Sr.
Rocco Lombardo
Michael Magnafichi
James Marcello
Louis Marino
John Matassa, Jr.
William Messino
John Monteleone
Dominick Palermo
Lawrence Petitt
Robert Salerno
Michael Talarico
Albert Tocco
Angelo Volpe
Anthony Zizzo
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I don't think any or at least most of the names on Snake's list were made. I have some additional unconfirmed names that I'm keeping under my hat for now.
My position is that we shouldn't expect that government-revealed names are necessarily comprehensive. Some people get the wrong idea about that.
My position is that we shouldn't expect that government-revealed names are necessarily comprehensive. Some people get the wrong idea about that.
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I agree. I'd be interested to see lists after Nick's cooperation and whether they removed names (such as Talarico, who was in the same crew as Nick) based on his info.Antiliar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:24 pm I don't think any or at least most of the names on Snake's list were made. I have some additional unconfirmed names that I'm keeping under my hat for now.
My position is that we shouldn't expect that government-revealed names are necessarily comprehensive. Some people get the wrong idea about that.
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'Limping' Lenny Montagna for Los Angeles and Joe Isgro a Gambino LA member?
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Don't think Montana is made. Yes, Isgro is a Gambino member who has lived in LA for years. His last indictment was out of NY.Juice Terry wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:31 pm 'Limping' Lenny Montagna for Los Angeles and Joe Isgro a Gambino LA member?
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Stango is currently under indictment. he was indicted in December or so and is on bailJoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:37 am Collected the info and updated ages for this year
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I think I sent you the Orlando transcripts, if not let me know I have a ton of disorganized transcripts from that trialchin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:37 amThere was an article from the Inquirer at the time of the Ligambi trial where one of their reporters (not Anastasia) wrote that Michael Orlando said Al Lance was made. However, I've seen some of Orlando's testimony and when talking about the Lancellottis he only identifies Michael Lancellotti as made. I can't say for sure because I haven't specifically seen the testimony from that day but I suspect the reporter misinterpreted what Orlando said. I put Al Lance under suspected because that article is the only source I can find for his membership
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Montana has been plugged in as a member over the years, probably because of his association with pornographer Joseph Abinanti who had various connections to different families. Like Paul Rossi, there is not really anything to indicate he is a member.Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:12 pmDon't think Montana is made. Yes, Isgro is a Gambino member who has lived in LA for years. His last indictment was out of NY.Juice Terry wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:31 pm 'Limping' Lenny Montagna for Los Angeles and Joe Isgro a Gambino LA member?
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