Most Influential Non-Made Members from each Family

[Guest]

Trafficante Family , alot of Cuban and Spanish associates, but a few that had some gravitas:

"Scarface" Johnny Rivera
Joe "Baby Joe" Diez
Jimmy Velasco

Also potential case for Harlan "The Colonel" Blackburn, though he technically ran his own crime group.

[sdeitche]

Trafficante Family , alot of Cuban and Spanish associates, but a few that had some gravitas:

"Scarface" Johnny Rivera
Joe "Baby Joe" Diez
Jimmy Velasco

Also potential case for Harlan "The Colonel" Blackburn, though he technically ran his own crime group.

[Etna]

Reynald Desjardins in Montreal for years until he switched alliances and tried to grab power for himself. Also, Joe Bravo in Montreal, until he met his demise after trying to remain neutral in the war up there.

Joe Bravo was caught on tape saying that Vito "made" him and Desjardins despite them not being Italian.

Then we found out Desjardins texted about the newspaper article that said he was a candidate for new "godfather" by saying he couldn't hold the position because he wasn't Italian.

+1. Besides, it's only if you consider Montreal as an independant Family, because I'm not sure the Bonanno Crime Family even care about them. At least until Desjardins get Montagna killed ...

They still didn't care, really.....

My gut feeling says ANY of the younger guys involved in Montreal these days would be considered here. Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito included as well as others.

[JakeTheSnake630]

Gerard Ouimette for Patriarca. Would certain members of Winter Hill meet this criteria?

[chin_gigante]

Reynald Desjardins in Montreal for years until he switched alliances and tried to grab power for himself. Also, Joe Bravo in Montreal, until he met his demise after trying to remain neutral in the war up there.

Joe Bravo was caught on tape saying that Vito "made" him and Desjardins despite them not being Italian.

Then we found out Desjardins texted about the newspaper article that said he was a candidate for new "godfather" by saying he couldn't hold the position because he wasn't Italian.

Greg Whooley might have been more important than Fernandez in Montreal. Dejardins, Miriarchi( maybe?), Scoppas, Musitanos, there's a few up there in Canada..... That Roger Valiquette? The French Quebecer?

Valiquette's a good one to point out, especially considering what Scoppa said about Valiquette controlling the book for a while. Plus, Scoppa's statements about how Steve Sollecito, Valiquette, and Toni Callocchia were the ones organising a lot of murders towards the end of Rizzuto's life

[JCB1977]

Cleveland
Mashie rockman
Bill presser
Jackie presser
Babe Triscaro

Validated by Tony Milano's FBI file which was recently posted by Antiliar, especially with regards to Triscaro.

From that document, various informants, circa 1964 to 1968, claim Triscaro was "strategically placed" in his Teamster leadership position by Milano. Different sources state Milano "disliked" or even "hated" Triscaro but was willing to let him keep his union job as long as he continued to "take orders."

As the narrative continues, Triscaro gradually begins to ignore/disrespect an aging Tony Milano, which apparently led to the rise of John Nardi. But this passage says it very succinctly about "Non-Made" guys, and it likely was standard operating procedure for all families, not just Cleveland:

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We can also include John & Nick Nardi

[JCB1977]

@Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.

[FriendofHenry]

@Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.

Interesting - I knew Joe when I was working in Niles, Ohio. My understanding was that his main responsibility was the heavy book making in Niles.
He oversaw it, collected Cleveland's "Kick-Up", then dropped it off at the Sunrise Inn. There Charlie made sure Tony Delsanter got Cleveland's end.

[CornerBoy]

who is Scoppa?

[Villain]

Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name

Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.

[JCB1977]

@Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.

Interesting - I knew Joe when I was working in Niles, Ohio. My understanding was that his main responsibility was the heavy book making in Niles.
He oversaw it, collected Cleveland's "Kick-Up", then dropped it off at the Sunrise Inn. There Charlie made sure Tony Delsanter got Cleveland's end.

Tony DelSanter was dead by 1977...Joe's power came after that, worked closely with Jack Licavoli, then Peanuts Tronolone and Loose & Papalardo. Joe was a big bookmaker prior to that. People also knew him as the sausage king, he and his cousin Joe made homemade sausage

[CornerBoy]

Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name

Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.

Thanks Villain

[Villain]

Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name

Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.

Thanks Villain

You're welcome bud

[FriendofHenry]

@Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.

Interesting - I knew Joe when I was working in Niles, Ohio. My understanding was that his main responsibility was the heavy book making in Niles.
He oversaw it, collected Cleveland's "Kick-Up", then dropped it off at the Sunrise Inn. There Charlie made sure Tony Delsanter got Cleveland's end.

Tony DelSanter was dead by 1977...Joe's power came after that, worked closely with Jack Licavoli, then Peanuts Tronolone and Loose & Papalardo. Joe was a big bookmaker prior to that. People also knew him as the sausage king, he and his cousin Joe made homemade sausage

I can only speak of when I was working in Niles which was prior to Tony's death. So it makes sense that Joe came into power then.
He and his son made sausage on the bottom of South Ave. in Youngstown and their sausage was a big seller at the Canfield Fair

[JCB1977]

Pittsburgh

Abe Zeid
Meyer Sigal
Willie Sams
Victor Carlucci- Son in law to Sam Mannarino
Frank Unis Jr- Aliquippa (Beaver County)
Geno Chiarelli- Pittsburgh
Anthony "Tony" Grosso- Allegheny County
Robert "Bobby I" Iannelli
Salvatore "Sal" Williams
Adolfo "Junior" Williams
Chuck Teemer
Joseph LaQuatra (LIUNA 1058)
Archie Nelson
Eugene "Nick the Blade" Gesuale
Primo Mollica
Anthony Murgie

Wheeling, WV Faction

William "Big Bill" Lias
Paul Hankish
Silvio "Birdie" Pinciaro

Youngstown Faction

Dominic Prato
Michael D. Romeo
Joseph "Blackie" Gennaro
Bernard "Bernie the Jew" Altshuler
James "Jinx" Naples
John "Popeye" Stevens
Mario "The Butcher" Guerreri
Paulie Holowatick
Amil Dinsio
Jimmy Dinsio
Dante Strollo

Johnstown/Altoona

Alfred "Freddy" Corbo
Michael Gulino
Fred Piera

Additionally, the Steubenville, OH faction

John "Jack" DeSarro aka Stogie
Philip Mattucci
Bruno Tegano
Anthony Panebianco
Ernie Giannamore
Angelo Antonucci