Bonanno 2015 chart (work in progress)

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What about Bertolo? I can't come to any understanding as to why he was apparently in control of the sportsbook? My understanding is that a lot of the catalyst for the Bonnanos planting their flag up there was to get the bookies back in line....
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Nice work Chin!
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chin_gigante wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:54 am I'll need to check my notes again on Basciano Jr. There's a court document that either lists him as being with Ernie Aiello in the early 2010s or a member of his crew. I can't remember which off the top of my head so I'll check again.

I put Basciano Jr on the list based on information from Gene Borrello. This is what he said in the mugshots Q&A about Basciano's sons:
From what I know they made Jr. Not the others.
I forget what indictment (maybe crea. madonna) and he was eating dinner with a lot of the bronx guys if i remember....ernie...i forget how they mention basciano jr...i have to find that doc. the one i think with ulzheimer looking to kill crea...
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Cheech wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:28 am
chin_gigante wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:54 am I'll need to check my notes again on Basciano Jr. There's a court document that either lists him as being with Ernie Aiello in the early 2010s or a member of his crew. I can't remember which off the top of my head so I'll check again.

I put Basciano Jr on the list based on information from Gene Borrello. This is what he said in the mugshots Q&A about Basciano's sons:
From what I know they made Jr. Not the others.
I forget what indictment (maybe crea. madonna) and he was eating dinner with a lot of the bronx guys if i remember....ernie...i forget how they mention basciano jr...i have to find that doc. the one i think with ulzheimer looking to kill crea...
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Cheech wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:28 am
chin_gigante wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:54 am I'll need to check my notes again on Basciano Jr. There's a court document that either lists him as being with Ernie Aiello in the early 2010s or a member of his crew. I can't remember which off the top of my head so I'll check again.

I put Basciano Jr on the list based on information from Gene Borrello. This is what he said in the mugshots Q&A about Basciano's sons:
From what I know they made Jr. Not the others.
I forget what indictment (maybe crea. madonna) and he was eating dinner with a lot of the bronx guys if i remember....ernie...i forget how they mention basciano jr...i have to find that doc. the one i think with ulzheimer looking to kill crea...
Forget the doc title but it's still in the FBI section and I remember kind of what it says. Didn't say anything about Basciano being made but mentioned he was out to dinner with a bunch of Bronx guys and they were talking about Aiello and how he had problems with everyone. All of those younger bronx guys were working together selling pot and doing other things. Bruno, Basciano, Cassano, Larca Jr., Londonio, Ulzheiner, that rat from the reality show who blew the whole thing up and led to Basciano and Larca's arrest

It was an interesting doc, especially to see how all these guys associated with 3 of the 5 families all knew one another and were making moves together. Seems like Crea Jr, Larca Jr, and Cassano... the made guys basically... obviously had the most juice and were providing financing
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@Chin, surely Palazzolo and Badalamenti would have to be Capos being Mancuso loyalists.

@Cheech, wasn't it Crea looking to kill Ulzeihmer not the other way round?
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Teflon Dom wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:45 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:34 pm Is Basciano Jr. a member? He was a proposed member in the early 2000s but was still an associate at the time of his 2013 arrest.


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I recall this being disputed before by Bronx aka westside on gbb? Seems to be up in the air but I assume he would be. Don't think theres solid evidence either way though.
Yeah if I can recall correctly it was that at least 1 of Vinny Basciano Sr sons were definitely made. Didn’t it also come out during the sons weeed trial .
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:00 pm @Chin, surely Palazzolo and Badalamenti would have to be Capos being Mancuso loyalists.
Thomas Carrube testified that Badalamenti held no position after he got arrested. Palazzolo I just dumped in incarcerated because I didn't know what to do with him. He held a captain position at least when either before or when he was acting boss but I'm not sure what happened to him rank-wise when he went back to prison.
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Nice work chin! In DeStefano's book about Lufthansa, I remember seeing that Vincent was put under his son Jerome cant recall the year though.
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Any info on Ulzheimer?
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yes greath work chin!! - does anyone now if their going to release some heavyweights from prison soon?
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newera_212 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:21 pm
Cheech wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:28 am
chin_gigante wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:54 am I'll need to check my notes again on Basciano Jr. There's a court document that either lists him as being with Ernie Aiello in the early 2010s or a member of his crew. I can't remember which off the top of my head so I'll check again.

I put Basciano Jr on the list based on information from Gene Borrello. This is what he said in the mugshots Q&A about Basciano's sons:
From what I know they made Jr. Not the others.
I forget what indictment (maybe crea. madonna) and he was eating dinner with a lot of the bronx guys if i remember....ernie...i forget how they mention basciano jr...i have to find that doc. the one i think with ulzheimer looking to kill crea...
Forget the doc title but it's still in the FBI section and I remember kind of what it says. Didn't say anything about Basciano being made but mentioned he was out to dinner with a bunch of Bronx guys and they were talking about Aiello and how he had problems with everyone. All of those younger bronx guys were working together selling pot and doing other things. Bruno, Basciano, Cassano, Larca Jr., Londonio, Ulzheiner, that rat from the reality show who blew the whole thing up and led to Basciano and Larca's arrest

It was an interesting doc, especially to see how all these guys associated with 3 of the 5 families all knew one another and were making moves together. Seems like Crea Jr, Larca Jr, and Cassano... the made guys basically... obviously had the most juice and were providing financing
yes thats exactly it
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:00 pm @Chin, surely Palazzolo and Badalamenti would have to be Capos being Mancuso loyalists.

@Cheech, wasn't it Crea looking to kill Ulzeihmer not the other way round?
IIRC ulzheimer was on the offense but stopped. I could be wrong its been awhile since i read it and i cant find it anymore. Im sure its in fbi section. I forget the doc
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Cheech wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:50 am IIRC ulzheimer was on the offense but stopped. I could be wrong its been awhile since i read it and i cant find it anymore. Im sure its in fbi section. I forget the doc
"Crea ordered Bruno and alleged Yonkers mobster Paul "Paulie Roast Beef" Cassano to kill Carl Ulzheimer, a Bonanno crime family associate who lived in the Bronx in 2012, according to the Feds.

Specifically, the Feds have alleged that in 2012, "armed members and associates of the Bonanno Family of La Cosa Nostra forced their way into a Bronx social club controlled by the Luchese Family." During the ensuing confrontation, Ulzheimer, a Bonanno associate, "acted in a manner that a leader of the Luchese Family, Steven L. Crea perceived as a personal affront. To avenge this supposed offense, Crea Sr. ordered his son, Steven D. Crea to have the Associate killed." Crea Jr. passed the order to Paul Cassano and Bruno. On a subsequent night, the two traveled to Ulzheimer’s Bronx residence, where Bruno, hefting a pistol, tried to find Ulzheimer and kill him, but failed."

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I believe Ulzhemer was doing the same but i dont care enough to find the doc.
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