Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:11 am
Timmoffat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:58 pmAll due respect, but I live here.
So what? How does living in a given area give you special insight to the inner workings of a secret criminal organization you're not a part of?
Like I’m starting to form the opinion you live in Utah or Montana or something and in terms of actually living in proximity to the real people in the towns you just read about it, there’s absolutely no way you can relate.
Ah, the geography card. Like old times. I
do live in Utah. But when it comes to this issue - the current state of the New England LCN - I could live in Egypt and it wouldn't make any difference. More sources are available to anyone, wherever they may be, than by benefit of simply living in an area. I don't need to live in Providence or Boston to see the decline in membership, indictments, etc.
I’m not talking shit, I’m just saying these guys are real people which in many cases I know victims, family members, the cops who really chase them. My Lawyer even has represented some of them. I’ve literally met known members and associates that have been listed on here: it maybe a concept for you, but for some of us it really is reality.
Richard Gambale maintains a residence in York Maine when not in Florida. You can go on a people finder website and see for yourself.
Billy Angelesco lives in Saco, check out the news stories on the last arrest
There’s another dude in Portland that has never popped up on these lists but the street carries as a made guy (apparently) I’m just not going there. If you look hard enough in the last 20 years of justice department press releases and pore
Over lists of known associates I know you can figure it out.
Notwithstanding that’s two. I have successfully defended myself. I win.
If that's the case, what that tells me is these guys are basically inactive. It's not a case of individual members, or the family in general, setting up an outpost in Maine.
Timmoffat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:30 pmBoth of you are more then welcome to fly into Logan Airport and check out the scene.
I could move there for the rest of my life and it wouldn't give me any greater insight.
Like literally both of you guys are geniuses and legit factotums/encyclopedias on LCN. I will never take that away from and I can’t, but I’ve noticed every time you guys are threatened with the unknown or the undeniable realization that maybe just maybe guys like Cavita, Bobby Batts, Scott, myself might actually have a greater grasp on LCN in the present in our own home metro areas then you do wherever you live and in whatever subculture of society you inhabit. I have never seen any personal admissions from you guys, and the sheer negativity on top of the defensive tone you take with
Anyone who brings it up, I am now convinced you are both not only so far removed from reality, which is ironic because you accuse all of us of being delusional, despite some of us literally living in the same neighborhoods as these guys and you living literally in Idaho or Utah and once again I will be the first to say, you both are basically scholars and historians on this stuff, but it’s
Time
To
Stop picking everyone else’s opinions or personal life experiences apart, and time to start getting out
To these LCN stronghold cities and sell some
Heroin or do some bookmaking and Loansharking and running underground poker games and buy a garbage truck or run a little extortion so some of these guys you make charts of actually show up and you actually experience something you are so obsessed with to the point you demean guys who follow this stuff as a hobbie for having a different opinion then you
BobbyBatts? The guy who says there are still 15 (or so) members in Kansas City (when there were only 20 members 30 years ago)? He lives in the area, and I find it believable he may know some people, but I've never seen how that equates to him having an inside breakdown of who's burned a saint. But that's me.
Scott? Do we really need to go there?
I'm not trying to be negative or pick on anyone but this issue - people making exaggerated claims about a family and having nothing to support it but their address and anecdotes - is as old as the hills.
Timmoffat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:37 pm
Like Pogo you are a real smart guy, but NYempire is right. You are avoiding the fact that a lot of us have committed crime our whole lives and have special insight into our regional underworld. Some of us might have gone to school with made guys or kids of made guys. Some of us literally wave to made guys on our way to the mailbox. This isn’t just a concept far removed from Nebraska. It is our real lives and real friends and Neighbors
NewYorkEmpire? They guy who insists there is still a functioning family with 30+ members in Buffalo? I'm not sure he's been right about anything since he started posting on this forum.
Just to be a smart ass I hit up one of those background check websites and found out some interesting figures relating to this section of the conversation.
6 confirmed living and made Patriarca members either currently live in Maine or have had a current part time residence in southern Maine in the last 2 years.
2 confirmed and living members live in New Hampshire, including one who lives 15 minutes from me incidentally and interestingly enough, Carmen Tortora, lives in Whitefield NH, which is 10 minutes from Vermont, an hour from the Canadian border, and just under 3 hours from Montreal……(he could be the super secret New England Liaison to the Rizzutos/Controni/Bonnanos in Canada……not to mention……wait for it…….the main Patriarca ambassador to the Arm in Buffalo.
Just wait. After the flood of fawning PMs I received for going head to head with you I’ve developed a following and this info getting dropped is sure to lead to a 100 page thread at Gangster BB.
Honestly Wiseguy Most guys on the board have a huge amount of respect for you and all myself and a few others were trying to accomplish with you and pogo was simply attempting to get our points across that as individuals that are often directly connected and if not maybe 1 or 2 degrees removed from members of our real life Broader communities and local underworlds that you believe you know better then us, a large percentage of the community at the blackhand club is afraid to even offer an opinion or engage in healthy debate. Also, I am of the inclination that as someone on the outside looking in when it comes to the so called underworld or criminal lifestyle, it is almost impossible for you to recognize the banality that the average career criminal IE member/associate of LCN or similar organization views/experiences their life with. The difference between you and many of us is that you cannot grasp the subjects of discussion past a one dimensional paradigm. Your empathetic point of reference is a gangland news article or Goodfellas or Underboss (Maas not Lehr). It is at best a fantasy to you, leading you to perceive that it couldn’t be reality for any of the rest of us, including the gangsters that you study.
Most of us just want you to treat us like people. Not driveling retards from faraway cities the mafia hasn’t existed in since the early 90s who’s opinions and experiences are beneath your validation.
This isn’t about the status of the New England Mob. It’s about your treatment of other board participants, including many who not only like and respect you and value your knowledge, but maybe even look up to you and the unwavering qualities of leadership you show.
Can’t we all just get along?