Sammy claims Watts an informant

[Wiseguy]

It seems weird he claimed the AB basically extorted Gotti when Gotti is credited with being a major influence on the AB

Well, supposedly Gotti was paying them to watch his back. Sort of how Nicky Scarfo did with the Mexicans when he was in prison. Nobody approached Gotti and said, "You're going to pay us X amount every month." According to court testimony of an AB guy, Gotti was supposed to find an attorney for AB leader Barry Mills. For whatever reason, Gotti didn't follow through with this and Mills ordered the AB to withdraw their protection. This was in 1994.

But it wasn't until 1996 that Gotti was attacked by Johnson. Would Johnson have attacked Gotti if he knew the AB was still protecting him? Maybe, maybe not. Gotti then offered to pay the AB to kill Johnson, which they supposedly accepted. But they didn't seem to be in too much of a hurry because Johnson was paroled in 2001 and ended up killing a cop a short time later. It seems to me Johnson was simply a nut who would have attacked anyone, no matter who they were or who's protection they were under.

How do you know this? Source?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=gotti%2B ... rotherhood

[Nick Prango]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

Salvatore Gravano never goes on about the rest of the people he sent to prison for the rest of their lives. He always tries to justify being a rat. He is full of shit. Every locked-up mobster facing life is mad at his boss on some level. And the oath of Omerta was not taken with there being exceptions, like you have to be quiet UNLESS you get pissed off at your boss and can make a case for why it's his fault. John Gotti running his mouth and there being a bug in the room is not on the same planet as talking to the feds directly. Not even close.At the end of the day Gravano did it to save his own skin. He always makes it sound like the only person be put in prison was Gotti what about all the other guys he ratted on? Was there a reason for that to? In my country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia the worse thing you could be is a rat. Rats make me sick.

[Nick Prango]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

I wouldn’t use the tough stand up guy label for someone who snitched on all of his friends and associates, but that’s just me. He killed 19 guys, including an innocent teenager, his own brother in law and some of his good friends from childhood, and then sent dozens of guys to prison to avoid facing responsibility for his actions. That is the truth. He is not a stand up guy.

[Tonyd621]

Everything he earned. He killed someone to get it.

[Extortion]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

I wouldn’t use the tough stand up guy label for someone who snitched on all of his friends and associates, but that’s just me. He killed 19 guys, including an innocent teenager, his own brother in law and some of his good friends from childhood, and then sent dozens of guys to prison to avoid facing responsibility for his actions. That is the truth. He is not a stand up guy.

I meant before he cooperated and most of those 19 guys were hits from Castellano the Colombo family I am unaware of this innocent teenager though can you explain that?

[Extortion]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

Salvatore Gravano never goes on about the rest of the people he sent to prison for the rest of their lives. He always tries to justify being a rat. He is full of shit. Every locked-up mobster facing life is mad at his boss on some level. And the oath of Omerta was not taken with there being exceptions, like you have to be quiet UNLESS you get pissed off at your boss and can make a case for why it's his fault. John Gotti running his mouth and there being a bug in the room is not on the same planet as talking to the feds directly. Not even close.At the end of the day Gravano did it to save his own skin. He always makes it sound like the only person be put in prison was Gotti what about all the other guys he ratted on? Was there a reason for that to? In my country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia the worse thing you could be is a rat. Rats make me sick.

I’m not justifying his cooperation I was just saying that he was a tough guy there’s no question about that and up until he cooperated I would say he was a standup guy because at the end of the day he is still a rat but if you were in the situation what would you do

[Extortion]

And also this was 1990 and CosaNostra it was sort of in a decline after the commission case so people started seeing the writing on the wall but if it was 1970 and he cooperated I would certainly think much less of him and that he shouldn’t rat because the life was still golden and meant something

[Nick Prango]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

I wouldn’t use the tough stand up guy label for someone who snitched on all of his friends and associates, but that’s just me. He killed 19 guys, including an innocent teenager, his own brother in law and some of his good friends from childhood, and then sent dozens of guys to prison to avoid facing responsibility for his actions. That is the truth. He is not a stand up guy.

I meant before he cooperated and most of those 19 guys were hits from Castellano the Colombo family I am unaware of this innocent teenager though can you explain that?

Here's the full article: https://www.silive.com/news/2019/10/he- ... rview.html

[Nick Prango]

It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.

Sammy is a tough guy. You dont know what you are talking about...he was an underboss, capo and consigliere in the gambino family. One of the five families, you have to be tough to have that position. He does appear he has lied very seldomly but nothing outrageous. Before he cooperated he had a lot of respect in the life and otherwise..

I wouldn’t use the tough stand up guy label for someone who snitched on all of his friends and associates, but that’s just me. He killed 19 guys, including an innocent teenager, his own brother in law and some of his good friends from childhood, and then sent dozens of guys to prison to avoid facing responsibility for his actions. That is the truth. He is not a stand up guy.

I meant before he cooperated and most of those 19 guys were hits from Castellano the Colombo family I am unaware of this innocent teenager though can you explain that?

That is truly a sad story, as a parent I could not imagine the trauma of losing a child especially in a violent ends to an innocent one. The US government should be ashamed for pampering a child killer. They are therefore complicit in my eyes for not allowing Salvatore Gravano brought to justice. Gravano always conveniently leaves this one out when he speaks of his life of crime. Hard to come off as tough when you murder someone innocent, in particular a kid. There have been many LCN guys who have turned rat in the past four decades (primarily since the early 1980s with the advent of the Rico laws). And admittedly, there have ALWAYS been certain guys who ratted undercover (Lombardozzi, Scarpa, etc), dating back many decades to the 50s, 40s, and earlier. But they were a distinct rarity compared to the huge volume of wiseguys out there operating.

But even today, the VAST majority of Italian American LCN made men and associates, stood up. The overwhelming majority of present day made guys and associates are not rats. In my book they are stand up guys. Not Salvatore the rat Gravano.

[Manhattan_]

For what it is worth , I do know someone who did almost 14 years and was released early 2000”s and he had said to me that JW was a rat and that JW name is all over his file .

[Tonyd621]

For what it is worth , I do know someone who did almost 14 years and was released early 2000”s and he had said to me that JW was a rat and that JW name is all over his file .

Now this statement corroborated with the previous first rate research aforementioned in this thread makes it more convincing.

[bronx]

capeci wrote about watts then retracted it later on i think

[Stroccos]

capeci wrote about watts then retracted it later on i think

any idea if watts ever end moving to Mexico?

[Eld]

eld can you post the rest of the papers

It's from Gotti's FBI file.

https://vault.fbi.gov/john-joseph-gotti-jr

[dave]

Sammy just released another video on Joe Watts being an informant:
https://youtu.be/2aXmewymHNQ