Fifteen Philadelphia Family Members and Associates Indicted

[chin_gigante]

Schratwieser says agents have months of wiretaps on several different phones and over 300 recordings made by government witnesses

[BobbyPazzo]

If they had anything that could even make him consider flipping he wouldn’t have made bail. They would have held him through the Holidays, made him miss his kids birth, etc... they can have tapes on top of tapes but these guys have the mentality that, “if it ain’t life, it ain’t long.” Dom does the years... ten tops but I think he pleads to somewhere closer to 60-96 months. The feds sentences in months not years.

[Stroccos]

If they had anything that could even make him consider flipping he wouldn’t have made bail. They would have held him through the Holidays, made him miss his kids birth, etc... they can have tapes on top of tapes but these guys have the mentality that, “if it ain’t life, it ain’t long.” Dom does the years... ten tops but I think he pleads to somewhere closer to 60-96 months. The feds sentences in months not years.

Unless he’s out wearing a wire

[dack2001]

You watch too much tv. Or maybe you're joking. Get arrested in a fed facility after a high profile arrest and leave with a wire after two weeks.... Especially after two bail hearings with a lawyer who probably cost $250K upfront..... A lawyer who would drop Dom like a bad habit if he wired up..... With a guy who isn't even facing a murder charge...don't see it.

[JoeCamel]

Yeah same here. Dom Grande gonna do like 26-30 monthes 3 years supervised:...maybe 5 years. Seems like they just caught him more as a CN member then any serious Crimes. Solid connections but no solid crime

[chin_gigante]

They're gonna push for Mazzone to get bail too

[BobbyPazzo]

If they had anything that could even make him consider flipping he wouldn’t have made bail. They would have held him through the Holidays, made him miss his kids birth, etc... they can have tapes on top of tapes but these guys have the mentality that, “if it ain’t life, it ain’t long.” Dom does the years... ten tops but I think he pleads to somewhere closer to 60-96 months. The feds sentences in months not years.

Unless he’s out wearing a wire

I thought the same thing. Give him a bullshit bail and get him back out to get to recording. But dom is the shooter on a body. All he has to say is look I did it, it was green lighted by so and so Joey or Unc and the whole heart of the borgata is gone for good. Sure they’ll have guys to fill the void but Joey and unc are Donzo. So for that reason I don’t think he’s telling.

[Rocco]

If they had anything that could even make him consider flipping he wouldn’t have made bail. They would have held him through the Holidays, made him miss his kids birth, etc... they can have tapes on top of tapes but these guys have the mentality that, “if it ain’t life, it ain’t long.” Dom does the years... ten tops but I think he pleads to somewhere closer to 60-96 months. The feds sentences in months not years.

Unless he’s out wearing a wire

I thought the same thing. Give him a bullshit bail and get him back out to get to recording. But dom is the shooter on a body. All he has to say is look I did it, it was green lighted by so and so Joey or Unc and the whole heart of the borgata is gone for good. Sure they’ll have guys to fill the void but Joey and unc are Donzo. So for that reason I don’t think he’s telling.

I don't think Dom will flip unless they get him on murder or they slam him with 25yrs for RICO tied to Fentynal...but the actual guys caught selling it didn't even get 20yrs. So think they will give him under ten say 96mos for RICO. Its Mazzones 2nd RICO so we could get 15yrs etc.

[PHL_Mob]

But that was 5 years prior to that. Pat Martirsno didn't want the UnderBoss job either but he eventually took it.


Pogo

If it comes out in this recent case that Scoops is Consig that settles it. But if Capeci is wrong are you ready to admit he's not infallible and that holding Scott to higher standards than Capeci is unreasonable?

Hope all is good otherwise, Salut.

I think Scott doesn't get enough credit. However his latest article about Philly titled "Five Guys, Buttons, and Bolognese..." is just repeated what Capeci and Schratweiser said. All three of them are saying the same thing on their sites. They are quoting each other and the context is the same.

I’m pretty sure Scott and Capeci don’t have any street sources and they were simply given GA’s FBI sources by GA. When GA retired he gave his FBI sources to Scott and as far as Capeci goes, he probably has his own sources in the FBI or he and GA swapped Philly and NyC fed sources when he was writing Alite’s book.

[chin_gigante]

In the new Philly Prime Podcast, Anastasia and Schratwieser briefly go over the Jerry Capeci article and they have this exchange:

GA: We're still trying to read between the lines and figure it all out but when we saw the ML and the JL we kind of jumped to a conclusion that the JL was Joe Ligambi. It might have been Joe Licata. Although someone else says it was John Lennon or Jennifer Lopez. [Laughs] You have a lot of different ways to go with this.
DS: That's a defense attorney saying that, right George? I won't guess who it is.
GA: Yes, absolutely.
DS: So yeah, that's the problem with guessing a little bit.

I'll come to the dark side now and concede on the JL point (unless obviously something else comes out about it as the case unfolds).

[JCB1977]

Great thread. I’m still a bit weary on the timing of the FBI flyer out on the murder of DiPietro and this entire indictment. I think they’re tied or a direct link to somebody who the Feds feel they could turn. Why waste resources on a 96 month potential plea, why not keep the investigation ongoing until they get more credible info or damaging wiretaps? Like some of you stated earlier, these guys have proven they could do some time. However, most of the brass is in their 50’s and above, a 20+ year sentence could change their mind. Time will tell. Looking forward to seeing this unfold.

[chubby]

Great thread. I’m still a bit weary on the timing of the FBI flyer out on the murder of DiPietro and this entire indictment. I think they’re tied or a direct link to somebody who the Feds feel they could turn. Why waste resources on a 96 month potential plea, why not keep the investigation ongoing until they get more credible info or damaging wiretaps? Like some of you stated earlier, these guys have proven they could do some time. However, most of the brass is in their 50’s and above, a 20+ year sentence could change their mind. Time will tell. Looking forward to seeing this unfold.

I thought the same thing about the flyer.. no one can say that the fbi didn’t deliberately put that out at that time just on coincidence, for some reason they had that all planned out... for what reason? Who knows.. but I’m sure they have their reasons...

[chin_gigante]

In the New Theory Podcast with Pennisi Part 6 he says he met Licata at John Perna's wedding in August 2015, which seems to me likely where his knowledge of Licata as consigliere comes from

[HoagieNose]

In the New Theory Podcast with Pennisi Part 6 he says he met Licata at John Perna's wedding in August 2015, which seems to me likely where his knowledge of Licata as consigliere comes from

Interesting. So there was Philly family members at Perna’s wedding. Wonder if he was the only one

[JCB1977]

Great thread. I’m still a bit weary on the timing of the FBI flyer out on the murder of DiPietro and this entire indictment. I think they’re tied or a direct link to somebody who the Feds feel they could turn. Why waste resources on a 96 month potential plea, why not keep the investigation ongoing until they get more credible info or damaging wiretaps? Like some of you stated earlier, these guys have proven they could do some time. However, most of the brass is in their 50’s and above, a 20+ year sentence could change their mind. Time will tell. Looking forward to seeing this unfold.

I thought the same thing about the flyer.. no one can say that the fbi didn’t deliberately put that out at that time just on coincidence, for some reason they had that all planned out... for what reason? Who knows.. but I’m sure they have their reasons...

I don’t buy the FBI flyer being a coincidence. Somebody is talking or they have a big sentence they’re ready to handout and are confident that their asset will flip. Any ideas who the rat is?