In Hoffa's Shadow author takes apart "Irishman" myth

[JCB1977]

New potential evidence emerges in Hoffa disappearance. I do not believe in any way, shape or form that the mob transported him across Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania to bury him in New Jersey. It is absolutely ludicrous. He is somewhere in Michigan, whether incinerated at a crematorium or crushed in a salvage yard.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6110935113001#sp=show-clips

[JCB1977]

A bunch of bullshit that Hoffa is buried in NJ but let the FBI waste more resources

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/off/new ... vp-BBXBu6g

[JCB1977]

I thought Scott was working on a book with Tony Zerelli? He was the Detroit under boss I would think he would know.

Tony Zerilli was a putz who fell out of favor with his cousin, Jack Tocco. He was shelved and was in prison when Hoffa disappeared. He may have had a n idea but NOBODY knew the details except the killer and clean up crew.

[Ivan]

I like how Sheeran or any theory can be exactly debunked when it is an unsolved murder where all the key players that did know anything are long gone.

If nobody knows who did it or the details, how can you rule anyone out?

Agreed. Dan Moldea who is the leading expert in the Hoffa investigation by far said this:

"I believe that Sheeran lured Hoffa into the car that took the controversial union leader to his death, but I also believe the actual hit man was New Jersey mobster Salvatore “Sally Bugs” Briguglio, who was murdered in March 1978."

While Frank was a drunk and a liar (which all criminals are liars), he was as close to Jimmy Hoffa as anybody. Jimmy's Hoffa's children said this:

The FBI admits that Frank was "known to be in Detroit area at the time of JRH disappearance, and considered to be a close friend of JRH," as the HOFFEX memo states.

Hoffa's son, current Teamsters President James P. Hoffa, told me in September 2001 that his father would have gotten into the car with Frank. He said that his father would not have taken that ride with some of the other FBI suspects whom I mentioned.

Not only did James P. Hoffa confirm that his father would have driven off with Frank, but his sister, Hoffa's daughter, Barbara Crancer, wrote Frank a poignant letter begging him to come clean about their father's fate.

In the one-page heartfelt note, handwritten to Frank on March 5, 1995, she wrote:

"It is my personal belief that there are many people who called themselves loyal friends who know what happened to James R. Hoffa, who did it and why. The fact that not one of them has ever told his family -- even under a vow of secrecy, is painful to me..."

She then underlined: "I believe you are one of those people."

Crancer confirmed to me that she wrote that letter.

***Since everybody's theory is just that, a theory...Sheeran was the first person who was listed as a top suspect in the Hoffa disappearance that spoke about it. Do I believe every word he said? Absolutely not. But I do believe some of his deathbed confession has some truth to it...much closer than anybody else has ever said.

Great post JCB.

Have you seen the movie?

[JCB1977]

Moscato's is probably the most credible if you guy by what the FBI says. And also makes sense. Tony Pro was the number 1 suspect in Hoffa's death. When Hoffa was killed everyone with Teamster knew that Tony Pro had him killed. Sally Bugs has been the prime suspect according to the FBI for decades. I am not sure this guy knows about that body. But I have always believed that Tony Pro's crew killed Hoffa while Tony Pro was at his FL home.

Tony Pro was in Detroit on that day

[Rocco]

Moscato's is probably the most credible if you guy by what the FBI says. And also makes sense. Tony Pro was the number 1 suspect in Hoffa's death. When Hoffa was killed everyone with Teamster knew that Tony Pro had him killed. Sally Bugs has been the prime suspect according to the FBI for decades. I am not sure this guy knows about that body. But I have always believed that Tony Pro's crew killed Hoffa while Tony Pro was at his FL home.

Tony Pro was in Detroit on that day

you sure? Ive read that he went to FL so he had an alibi. Just like when they killed the other Union guy yrs prior. And it was the older murder that put him away for life I believe. Anyone know who the shooter was in the Sally Bugs hit? NY Genovese Crew or NJ ?

[JCB1977]

I have always had trouble putting much stock in Moldea, especially since he published his RFK book and tossed in that "confession" at the end and his Thane Caesar gatekeeping became public. Anyone who hangs with Gus Russo and lectures people about publishing the truth, even Bob DeNiro, is suspect in my book too.

All that said, Moscato's version is not impossible but I am deeply skeptical that Detroit would allow Tony Pro's crew to come in and do that high-profile of a hit and then ship the body back east. Or that Tony Pro would send his guys to Detroit to kill a high profile guy like Hoffa. Wasn't Hoffa "on record" with Detroit? It makes more sense given the politics of Cosa Nostra that Detroit got the contract because Hoffa was "with" Detroit and Tony Jack. They did the deed and burned him up or buried him as has always been suspected. I won't rule out that they got Big Frank Sheeranthough Russell Bufalino or somebody else to put Hoffa at ease but I'd bet they were the shooters and they disposed of him.

Moldea is very credible IMO and although there were possibly more than 1 shooter Caesar was almost certainly involved in RFK assassination . Dave Morales ( notorious CIA wet work specialist ) also confessed to killing RFK and JFK.

To me Sally , Moscato is very likely what happened. I’m from Hudson county NJ and lived in JC, know that dump and to think I likely stepped over Hoffa dead body lol , while smoking a J

I have a bridge to sell you if you actually believe that one of the highest profile hits in American History was transported through Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and into NJ for burial.

[JCB1977]

I like how Sheeran or any theory can be exactly debunked when it is an unsolved murder where all the key players that did know anything are long gone.

If nobody knows who did it or the details, how can you rule anyone out?

Agreed. Dan Moldea who is the leading expert in the Hoffa investigation by far said this:

"I believe that Sheeran lured Hoffa into the car that took the controversial union leader to his death, but I also believe the actual hit man was New Jersey mobster Salvatore “Sally Bugs” Briguglio, who was murdered in March 1978."

While Frank was a drunk and a liar (which all criminals are liars), he was as close to Jimmy Hoffa as anybody. Jimmy's Hoffa's children said this:

The FBI admits that Frank was "known to be in Detroit area at the time of JRH disappearance, and considered to be a close friend of JRH," as the HOFFEX memo states.

Hoffa's son, current Teamsters President James P. Hoffa, told me in September 2001 that his father would have gotten into the car with Frank. He said that his father would not have taken that ride with some of the other FBI suspects whom I mentioned.

Not only did James P. Hoffa confirm that his father would have driven off with Frank, but his sister, Hoffa's daughter, Barbara Crancer, wrote Frank a poignant letter begging him to come clean about their father's fate.

In the one-page heartfelt note, handwritten to Frank on March 5, 1995, she wrote:

"It is my personal belief that there are many people who called themselves loyal friends who know what happened to James R. Hoffa, who did it and why. The fact that not one of them has ever told his family -- even under a vow of secrecy, is painful to me..."

She then underlined: "I believe you are one of those people."

Crancer confirmed to me that she wrote that letter.

***Since everybody's theory is just that, a theory...Sheeran was the first person who was listed as a top suspect in the Hoffa disappearance that spoke about it. Do I believe every word he said? Absolutely not. But I do believe some of his deathbed confession has some truth to it...much closer than anybody else has ever said.

Great post JCB.

Have you seen the movie?

I saw it on opening night at a small theatre in the Boston area. Personally, it was a masterpiece. Also, Deniro definitely looked his age while administering a beating...but other than that, all actors did a great job and the set, soundtrack, storyline was all fantastic. Goodfellas, Casino, Donnie Brasco etc all had dramatized fiction. IMO, this was one of the best projects Scorsese has done.

[Rocco]

Moscato's is probably the most credible if you guy by what the FBI says. And also makes sense. Tony Pro was the number 1 suspect in Hoffa's death. When Hoffa was killed everyone with Teamster knew that Tony Pro had him killed. Sally Bugs has been the prime suspect according to the FBI for decades. I am not sure this guy knows about that body. But I have always believed that Tony Pro's crew killed Hoffa while Tony Pro was at his FL home.

Tony Pro was in Detroit on that day

you sure? Ive read that he went to FL so he had an alibi. Just like when they killed the other Union guy yrs prior. And it was the older murder that put him away for life I believe. Anyone know who the shooter was in the Sally Bugs hit? NY Genovese Crew or NJ ?

Quick Google Search. below
Deceased New Jersey-based Mafioso and Genovese crime family captain Anthony (Tony Pro) Provenzano was in Detroit the night before labor leader and mob associate Jimmy Hoffa disappeared and was slain 40 years ago this month, according to an imprisoned FBI informant who came forward in the mid-2000s. The informant, former Teamster insider Don Wells, claims Provenzano dined at a favorite mafia haunt with Motor City underworld figures on July 29, 1975. Some experts further speculate Tony Pro could have also been in Michigan the next afternoon when Hoffa vanished from a suburban Detroit restaurant parking lot on July 30, 1975, not where his alibi placed him, at his New Jersey Teamsters union hall playing cards. Then-Jersey Teamsters boss Provenzano was feuding with Hoffa at the time he went missing.

[TommyNoto]

I have always had trouble putting much stock in Moldea, especially since he published his RFK book and tossed in that "confession" at the end and his Thane Caesar gatekeeping became public. Anyone who hangs with Gus Russo and lectures people about publishing the truth, even Bob DeNiro, is suspect in my book too.

All that said, Moscato's version is not impossible but I am deeply skeptical that Detroit would allow Tony Pro's crew to come in and do that high-profile of a hit and then ship the body back east. Or that Tony Pro would send his guys to Detroit to kill a high profile guy like Hoffa. Wasn't Hoffa "on record" with Detroit? It makes more sense given the politics of Cosa Nostra that Detroit got the contract because Hoffa was "with" Detroit and Tony Jack. They did the deed and burned him up or buried him as has always been suspected. I won't rule out that they got Big Frank Sheeranthough Russell Bufalino or somebody else to put Hoffa at ease but I'd bet they were the shooters and they disposed of him.

Moldea is very credible IMO and although there were possibly more than 1 shooter Caesar was almost certainly involved in RFK assassination . Dave Morales ( notorious CIA wet work specialist ) also confessed to killing RFK and JFK.

To me Sally , Moscato is very likely what happened. I’m from Hudson county NJ and lived in JC, know that dump and to think I likely stepped over Hoffa dead body lol , while smoking a J

I have a bridge to sell you if you actually believe that one of the highest profile hits in American History was transported through Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and into NJ for burial.

I have no idea to be honest and unless you were on the hit team no one knows

[dack2001]

I wouldn't be surprised if they dig up that old dump in NJ based upon all of the noise generated by the Irishman and moldy Moldea news but they won't find anything there. Of course, its just as likely that Moldea and Fox are the ones planting this news so who knows...

[Ivan]

I saw it on opening night at a small theatre in the Boston area. Personally, it was a masterpiece. Also, Deniro definitely looked his age while administering a beating...but other than that, all actors did a great job and the set, soundtrack, storyline was all fantastic. Goodfellas, Casino, Donnie Brasco etc all had dramatized fiction. IMO, this was one of the best projects Scorsese has done.

Yeah I thought it was superb, though they should have used a stuntman for that beating scene.

Strange to see that postwar era fade away again on the big screen. (I watched it happen in real life as a kid in the 80s and 90s and I thought the movie captured that nicely. I really like the part with the nurse who didn't know who the hell Jimmy Hoffa was.)

[aleksandrored]

https://video.foxnews.com/v/2733047798001#sp=show-clips

[Grouchy Sinatra]

I didn’t miss anything (I’m well aware of the Colombo shooting). Simply saying the way that transitioned that one scene made it look like Colombo shooting might have been related to the jail fight (to people who don’t know the history).

In Goodfellas Tommy is shot out of nowhere, when the audience, who may not know the history, thought he was about to get inducted into the mob. In the following scene, the hit is explained by Henry Hill's voice over. The same happens here. Same director, btw. Yes, you and your wife must have missed it. I don't know what else to say. You brought it up.

[bert]

This says it all!

https://nypost.com/2019/12/03/go-ahead- ... -terrible/

What a stupid article.

I don't think I've heard anyone who liked the movie proclaim its the greatest film of all time, myself included. Typical polarizing theme for the limited attention span of the NY Post's readership.

the characters had no depth. period. end of story.

I'm talking about the article. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life. Nobody's walking around calling this the greatest movie ever. Typical sleaze columnist that had to start off pieces with non existent strawmen.

It's a great write up, you're just too dumb, or trolling again. As usual. "Sleaze columnist?"