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Re: Group America

by AntComello » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:36 am

OcSleeper wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:45 am Ant you should check out the OCCRP articles on Group America and Miljanic
Thanks will do

Re: Group America

by OcSleeper » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:45 am

Ant you should check out the OCCRP articles on Group America and Miljanic

Re: Group America

by AntComello » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:27 am

Strax wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:30 pm
AntComello wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:17 pm Damn and I thought Michael Michael was just some random Serb dude from Brooklyn when this first came out.
Miljanic was recorded on telephone saying to Jaksic: "Always be lowkey,we are never going to be hungry,this is best job in the world as long as we are in the first line,we need to keep our friends from BIA close". They had someone snitching and they got info from BIA that they have a snitch, BIA is Serbian secret service. Its pretty much same shit in whole Eastern Europe as in Russia , if you want to do organized crime on high level you need to be close to state,politicians and secret service. Once they don't need you anymore, you are done for. Members from Skaljarski clan are being killed in Greece,Turkey,Spain,Netherlands. They are hunting them down all over Europe, once they decide you are done, you can't hide.
Thank you for the info 🙏 I’m very interested in this.

Re: Group America

by PolackTony » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:06 pm

Strax wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:30 pm
AntComello wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:17 pm Damn and I thought Michael Michael was just some random Serb dude from Brooklyn when this first came out.
Miljanic was recorded on telephone saying to Jaksic: "Always be lowkey,we are never going to be hungry,this is best job in the world as long as we are in the first line,we need to keep our friends from BIA close". They had someone snitching and they got info from BIA that they have a snitch, BIA is Serbian secret service. Its pretty much same shit in whole Eastern Europe as in Russia , if you want to do organized crime on high level you need to be close to state,politicians and secret service. Once they don't need you anymore, you are done for. Members from Skaljarski clan are being killed in Greece,Turkey,Spain,Netherlands. They are hunting them down all over Europe, once they decide you are done, you can't hide.
Great info Strax. We are obviously missing a big part of the context if we don’t know about the Balkan side of this stuff as well as the American side.

As a tangent. There are a ton of Serbians in Chicago, as you probably know. Some of them run a bunch of cafes and lounges, etc., on the Northside of the city and in some nearby suburbs. I’ve heard that Serbian OC groups have a presence in Chicago from some people who I think would know, but I have no clue myself about this stuff (some Serbian friends of my family in Chicago, but they aren’t connected to anything). Any idea if the Group America/Skaljarski guys had ties there, or has it been other groups?

Re: Group America

by Strax » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:30 pm

AntComello wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:17 pm Damn and I thought Michael Michael was just some random Serb dude from Brooklyn when this first came out.
Miljanic was recorded on telephone saying to Jaksic: "Always be lowkey,we are never going to be hungry,this is best job in the world as long as we are in the first line,we need to keep our friends from BIA close". They had someone snitching and they got info from BIA that they have a snitch, BIA is Serbian secret service. Its pretty much same shit in whole Eastern Europe as in Russia , if you want to do organized crime on high level you need to be close to state,politicians and secret service. Once they don't need you anymore, you are done for. Members from Skaljarski clan are being killed in Greece,Turkey,Spain,Netherlands. They are hunting them down all over Europe, once they decide you are done, you can't hide.

Re: Group America

by AntComello » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:17 pm

Damn and I thought Michael Michael was just some random Serb dude from Brooklyn when this first came out.

Re: Group America

by Strax » Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:08 am

Video of Zoran Jaksic and his bodyguards getting beaten up, Zoran is in white jacket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUmc6P_lJJ0

Many of their associates from Skaljarski clan got tortured,their heads cut off and so on.There are photos of that too.

Re: Group America

by Strax » Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:03 am

Young Miljanic:

Image

Re: Group America

by Strax » Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:55 am

Group America is exiled from here , Zoran Jaksic got beaten up pretty badly here in Belgrade few years ago, there is even a video of that online, he was hiding in Italy for some time , there is video of him and Miljanic counting over 1$ million in cash in apartment in Italy. They were one of most powerful groups here in Balkans since 1990's.

But they sided with Skaljarski clan and Skaljarski clan got wiped out, there are photos of presidents son with members of Kavacki clan , so its pretty clear who's side state on.

Re: Group America

by CabriniGreen » Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:53 pm

sisterray wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:53 am What’s as interesting as the drug trafficking angle is whether those Serbs are able to facilitate the transfer of illegal funds to bank accounts set up in places like Montenegro or Kosovo. That would be the biggest perk from being hooked up with the secret services.
Actually, one of the weird revelations about the Inzerillos and Sicily was them moving money through both Kosovo and... fuck me.... somewhere in Asia... why is my brain not working?

I gotta go back and reread those articles now...

Re: Group America

by Little_Al1991 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:59 pm

Interesting information from Pennisi, where’s he getting this from? Sounds like a bit more than just research

Re: Group America

by johnny_scootch » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:40 pm

Oc1878+ wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:43 am
I’m sceptical about the meeting he claims that took place in Miami between Fama, Willie Falcone & Miguel Rodríguez etc.

Rodriguez was sentenced to 30 years in 2006 and although I can’t locate him via the BOP inmate locator, he applied for compassionate release as of 6 days ago as per the below article;

https://www.semana.com/amp/nacion/justi ... mo/202321/
If you read my earlier post in this thread he said Fama & Miljanic met with others and a joint drug venture between them along with Coonan, Falcone and Rodriguez was discussed. He never put Falcone or Rodriguez at the meeting.

Re: Group America

by Oc1878+ » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:43 am

johnny_scootch wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:24 pm
Oc1878+ wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:45 pm Does anyone know where he has gotten this information from ? I can’t find anything online that corroborates this.
He said the FBI surveilled the meeting so maybe he got it from one of his Fed contacts? You should ask him in the comments on that video maybe he will answer.
I’m sceptical about the meeting he claims that took place in Miami between Fama, Willie Falcone & Miguel Rodríguez etc.

Rodriguez was sentenced to 30 years in 2006 and although I can’t locate him via the BOP inmate locator, he applied for compassionate release as of 6 days ago as per the below article;

https://www.semana.com/amp/nacion/justi ... mo/202321/

Re: Group America

by sisterray » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:53 am

What’s as interesting as the drug trafficking angle is whether those Serbs are able to facilitate the transfer of illegal funds to bank accounts set up in places like Montenegro or Kosovo. That would be the biggest perk from being hooked up with the secret services.

Re: Group America

by CabriniGreen » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:44 am

Wiseguy wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:28 am
AntComello wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:14 am
TommyGambino wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:57 am
AntComello wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:59 am So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.
Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are
I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?
From what I've seen from the DEA and other law enforcement, these are the levels of the drug trade:

Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors


Generally speaking, it seems the American LCN (primarily the NY families) operate around the middle levels, i.e. the multi-kilo and pound distributors; with a lesser involvement at the importer level above and the ounce-level distributor level below.

When you talk about "100 kilo type shit," 100 kilos of what? If you're talking about something like a single bust of an American LCN operation which will result in 100 kilos of cocaine or heroin being seized, no, we will probably never see that. 100 kilos of marijuana is another matter.

In the 2011 Gambino bust, several Gambino members and associates were indicted on charges that, among other things, included the charge of distributing "hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills, all of which generated millions of dollars in illegal proceeds for the Gambino Family." However, this was over a 20+ year time period from the late-1980's through 2010.

A year prior, in 2010, John Venizelos, a Bonanno associate and "major Staten Island-based distributor of narcotics," was indicted. The charges alleged he was part of larger, interconnected drug trafficking conspiracies that, in addition to 80 kilos of cocaine and $10 million being seized, trafficked "over $1 billion worth of marijuana, cocaine, and ecstasy into the United States between 1998 and 2012." But this figure was attributed to the the "Rizzuto and Bonanno crime families, the Hells Angels, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Native American traffickers." In other words, multiple organizations trafficking in several types of drugs going various places. For the Bonanno family's part, it was alleged "tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana" were smuggled from Canada into the U.S., and much of it was sold there by "distributors tied to the Bonanno crime family in New York."

When you look at the cases over the past 10-20 years, the American LCN traffics in significant amounts of marijuana and prescription drugs, and to a lesser extent cocaine. Negligible involvement when it comes to heroin or meth. Ecstasy was big for them 20 years ago but that doesn't seem to be as much the case anymore.
TommyGambino wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:50 amFranco Lupoi a n associate of the Gambino and Ndrangheta, you might remember this https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyo ... n-takedown
This case alleged there was a plot to smuggle 500 kilograms of cocaine, originating in South America with ultimate destination in Europe. It seems those involved were busted for that happened and, as we've seen in other cases, American LCN figures were working with NY-based Ndrangheta affiliates to broker the drugs in what is primarily an Ndrangheta operation.
Yes sir...spot on here...

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