Group America

[johnny_scootch]

https://youtu.be/rEE2Ly_KZYw

Link to the new Pennisi video on Group America.

Tons of people involved with these guys from the Westies, Gambinos, Luccheses, the BIA, the Cali Cartel, this Mike the Serb really gets around.
Definitely worth watching and I figured they deserved their own thread.

[JohnnyS]

Good pics of Filippelli and Miljanic.

[johnny_scootch]

Only in NY could a Serbian crime group spring forth from an Irish crime group. It would make a great movie.

[CornerBoy]

why woulud these bigtime criminals mess with a short lived nicke and dime operation like the Westies??

[TSNYC]

Only in NY could a Serbian crime group spring forth from an Irish crime group. It would make a great movie.

Was thinking same thing. With the international angles and ties, it’s like a Bond movie. Southern district has been supposedly working this large construction fraud related case involving Milejanic, Filipelli and others for years now it seems.

[AntComello]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

[CornerBoy]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

of course, Ant. associates in all five. made guys in bonanno, gambino, luchese and maybe WS and Colombo?

[TommyGambino]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are

[AntComello]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are

I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?

[TommyGambino]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are

I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?

Franco Lupoi a n associate of the Gambino and Ndrangheta, you might remember this https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyo ... n-takedown

[Tonyd621]

Either It's an expensive decoy to smuggler larger kilos of drugs or they need to learn how to smuggle drugs. Based on Pennisis video it seems someone in the organization is constantly getting caught.

[Tonyd621]

Did he also say that Danny Fama was meeting with someone from the Cali cartel and others in miami?

[Wiseguy]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are

I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?

From what I've seen from the DEA and other law enforcement, these are the levels of the drug trade:

Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors


Generally speaking, it seems the American LCN (primarily the NY families) operate around the middle levels, i.e. the multi-kilo and pound distributors; with a lesser involvement at the importer level above and the ounce-level distributor level below.

When you talk about "100 kilo type shit," 100 kilos of what? If you're talking about something like a single bust of an American LCN operation which will result in 100 kilos of cocaine or heroin being seized, no, we will probably never see that. 100 kilos of marijuana is another matter.

In the 2011 Gambino bust, several Gambino members and associates were indicted on charges that, among other things, included the charge of distributing "hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills, all of which generated millions of dollars in illegal proceeds for the Gambino Family." However, this was over a 20+ year time period from the late-1980's through 2010.

A year prior, in 2010, John Venizelos, a Bonanno associate and "major Staten Island-based distributor of narcotics," was indicted. The charges alleged he was part of larger, interconnected drug trafficking conspiracies that, in addition to 80 kilos of cocaine and $10 million being seized, trafficked "over $1 billion worth of marijuana, cocaine, and ecstasy into the United States between 1998 and 2012." But this figure was attributed to the the "Rizzuto and Bonanno crime families, the Hells Angels, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Native American traffickers." In other words, multiple organizations trafficking in several types of drugs going various places. For the Bonanno family's part, it was alleged "tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana" were smuggled from Canada into the U.S., and much of it was sold there by "distributors tied to the Bonanno crime family in New York."

When you look at the cases over the past 10-20 years, the American LCN traffics in significant amounts of marijuana and prescription drugs, and to a lesser extent cocaine. Negligible involvement when it comes to heroin or meth. Ecstasy was big for them 20 years ago but that doesn't seem to be as much the case anymore.

Franco Lupoi a n associate of the Gambino and Ndrangheta, you might remember this https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyo ... n-takedown

This case alleged there was a plot to smuggle 500 kilograms of cocaine, originating in South America with ultimate destination in Europe. It seems those involved were busted for that happened and, as we've seen in other cases, American LCN figures were working with NY-based Ndrangheta affiliates to broker the drugs in what is primarily an Ndrangheta operation.

[AntComello]

So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.

Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are

I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?

From what I've seen from the DEA and other law enforcement, these are the levels of the drug trade:

Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors


Generally speaking, it seems the American LCN (primarily the NY families) operate around the middle levels, i.e. the multi-kilo and pound distributors; with a lesser involvement at the importer level above and the ounce-level distributor level below.

When you talk about "100 kilo type shit," 100 kilos of what? If you're talking about something like a single bust of an American LCN operation which will result in 100 kilos of cocaine or heroin being seized, no, we will probably never see that. 100 kilos of marijuana is another matter.

In the 2011 Gambino bust, several Gambino members and associates were indicted on charges that, among other things, included the charge of distributing "hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills, all of which generated millions of dollars in illegal proceeds for the Gambino Family." However, this was over a 20+ year time period from the late-1980's through 2010.

A year prior, in 2010, John Venizelos, a Bonanno associate and "major Staten Island-based distributor of narcotics," was indicted. The charges alleged he was part of larger, interconnected drug trafficking conspiracies that, in addition to 80 kilos of cocaine and $10 million being seized, trafficked "over $1 billion worth of marijuana, cocaine, and ecstasy into the United States between 1998 and 2012." But this figure was attributed to the the "Rizzuto and Bonanno crime families, the Hells Angels, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Native American traffickers." In other words, multiple organizations trafficking in several types of drugs going various places. For the Bonanno family's part, it was alleged "tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana" were smuggled from Canada into the U.S., and much of it was sold there by "distributors tied to the Bonanno crime family in New York."

When you look at the cases over the past 10-20 years, the American LCN traffics in significant amounts of marijuana and prescription drugs, and to a lesser extent cocaine. Negligible involvement when it comes to heroin or meth. Ecstasy was big for them 20 years ago but that doesn't seem to be as much the case anymore.

Franco Lupoi a n associate of the Gambino and Ndrangheta, you might remember this https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyo ... n-takedown

This case alleged there was a plot to smuggle 500 kilograms of cocaine, originating in South America with ultimate destination in Europe. It seems those involved were busted for that happened and, as we've seen in other cases, American LCN figures were working with NY-based Ndrangheta affiliates to broker the drugs in what is primarily an Ndrangheta operation.

Thanks for your detailed response. And by 100 kilo type shit I mean cocaine. Just as we see in Canada where guys are getting busted for larger amounts like that. Like these mob guys connect to Michael Michael are they strictly doing construction scams? I just watched the Pennisi video and the Michael Michael guy seems like a BIG drug guy. I would have to think since he is plugged in with the 5 families that one of these fuckin made guys would get involved in moving large coke shipments with him and his connections. But nothing like that was mentioned in the indictment. Just find it hard to believe that they were only doing construction shit.

[johnny_scootch]

Did he also say that Danny Fama was meeting with someone from the Cali cartel and others in miami?

He said Fama was meeting with Miljanic and ‘others’ but a joint drug venture between Fama, Miljanic, Jimmy Coonan, Willy Falcone and Miguel Rodriguez was being discussed. Miguel being Gilberto Rodriguez younger brother.