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Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Angelo Santino » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:51 pm

jimmyb wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm
Antiliar wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:46 pm
jimmyb wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).
What's funny is that Bill took a creative writing class when he was in prison at Terminal Island, and Roselli was there at the same time. Sounds like Bill used some of those creative writing skills to his conversation with Roselli.
Yeah I think I hold the Bill Bonanno books in higher regard than some others, but I would take his story about the jfk assassination with a grain of salt.
I can respect that, Antiliar disagrees with me on this also. I suppose it's easier for me to write him off because I'm so blindly focused on ancient history and that wasn't his area. I do believe him when he explains the way commission meetings were handled as well as other things that pertained to him in the 50's and 60's. I also tend to believe him over his father in certain cases, such as AZ having 3 Bonanno crews. There's always been that floating rumor that J.Bonanno had a mini-Family in AZ and if so, these people would be some of the likely people as well as the ones we know came from NY......

Anyways, excellent thread gentlemen. I'm learning alot. Salut.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by jimmyb » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm

Antiliar wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:46 pm
jimmyb wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).
What's funny is that Bill took a creative writing class when he was in prison at Terminal Island, and Roselli was there at the same time. Sounds like Bill used some of those creative writing skills to his conversation with Roselli.
Yeah I think I hold the Bill Bonanno books in higher regard than some others, but I would take his story about the jfk assassination with a grain of salt.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Antiliar » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:50 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:07 pm
Reading here, lines 5 and 6: https://imgur.com/QjrA4Eg.png
It's ambiguous to me, are they quoting Bill as saying JB was made boss on September 19, 1930 or was the "nineteen, nineteen thirty" a confused estimate. If he is saying September 19 then that would fit with Maranzano's death on Sept 10th, 1931 so perhaps the date was correct but off by a year. Angelo Caruso was AB in between those dates. We have Schiro's election date as well in 1912. The Bonannos are Philly's only rival in terms of the amount of information that has surfaced, through books, dry informants and official informants.
No, from the conversation the FBI agents are telling Bill the date "nineteen, nineteen thirty" and he agreed that they were probably correct. They told him the date, which they got wrong. We know that Angelo Caruso was briefly the acting boss after Maranzano was killed. Bill said he wasn't sure and didn't give any dates.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Antiliar » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:46 pm

jimmyb wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).
What's funny is that Bill took a creative writing class when he was in prison at Terminal Island, and Roselli was there at the same time. Sounds like Bill used some of those creative writing skills to his conversation with Roselli.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by jimmyb » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:46 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:07 pm
jimmyb wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).
If I may inquire, which part? The Mafia "electing" JFK, the Joe Kennedy connection or Johnny Roselli on Elm St with a sniper? For several years, mafia-conspiracists used these claims as vindication of the Mafia's involvement. I've had curveballs thrown at me that I cannot answer, some things related to New Orleans and Tampa are fishy. But in the end I go back to this: the mafia at its height in this country never had the power to alter the route of a presidential motorcade.

My only other point of contention were during the interviews he gave he cited the commission deciding what local NY politicians would win along with the Chief of Police. But again, that was likely done for promotional purposes.

Reading here, lines 5 and 6: https://imgur.com/QjrA4Eg.png
It's ambiguous to me, are they quoting Bill as saying JB was made boss on September 19, 1930 or was the "nineteen, nineteen thirty" a confused estimate. If he is saying September 19 then that would fit with Maranzano's death on Sept 10th, 1931 so perhaps the date was correct but off by a year. Angelo Caruso was AB in between those dates. We have Schiro's election date as well in 1912. The Bonannos are Philly's only rival in terms of the amount of information that has surfaced, through books, dry informants and official informants.
Salve, Angelo

Yeah that part of our conversation was vague. I didn't even bring it up. But at the time I presumed they were talking about the assassination itself (although I suspect the publisher wanted anything about JFK).

I've read a few conspiracy books about JFK and the mob (the John Davis book, the "Contract on America" book, "Deep Politics and the death of JFK by Peter Dale Scott, and "Ultimate Sacrifice"---a ridiculously long book imo). In any event, I never walked away convinced the mob was behind it. I mean maybe they were, I'm just saying I've never read any compelling evidence. Overall I have a difficult time believing Oswald was not part of a larger plot, but that's just my intuition. Anyhow, I'm getting off topic.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Angelo Santino » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:07 pm

jimmyb wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).
If I may inquire, which part? The Mafia "electing" JFK, the Joe Kennedy connection or Johnny Roselli on Elm St with a sniper? For several years, mafia-conspiracists used these claims as vindication of the Mafia's involvement. I've had curveballs thrown at me that I cannot answer, some things related to New Orleans and Tampa are fishy. But in the end I go back to this: the mafia at its height in this country never had the power to alter the route of a presidential motorcade.

My only other point of contention were during the interviews he gave he cited the commission deciding what local NY politicians would win along with the Chief of Police. But again, that was likely done for promotional purposes.

Reading here, lines 5 and 6: https://imgur.com/QjrA4Eg.png
It's ambiguous to me, are they quoting Bill as saying JB was made boss on September 19, 1930 or was the "nineteen, nineteen thirty" a confused estimate. If he is saying September 19 then that would fit with Maranzano's death on Sept 10th, 1931 so perhaps the date was correct but off by a year. Angelo Caruso was AB in between those dates. We have Schiro's election date as well in 1912. The Bonannos are Philly's only rival in terms of the amount of information that has surfaced, through books, dry informants and official informants.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by jimmyb » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Hey, Rick

No I don't think I have anything else. I just recall Rosalie and Bill's niece laughing about the JFK conspiracy stuff in the "Bound" book. They told me "the publisher told him to write about JFK." Not sure if Bill pushed back or just went with it right away. I've been in Arizona for over a year, but still haven't reached out to them since I moved here. I'd like to at some pt. The niece lives in Ohio, but visits Tucson often. She's Frank Labruzzo's daughter (or granddaughter, can't remember off top of my head).

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Antiliar » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:52 pm

jimmyb, I'd be interested in finding out more about this pressure from the publisher into writing about the JFK stuff. Do you have more info on it?

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by jimmyb » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:45 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:18 am No, there's a pretty strong case that he was providing information to the FBI during the Banana War.

As far as "process not a thing" you can take some mushrooms and get your head around it if you go back to the very basics of the mafia being a criminal freemasonry in which members can bounce off each other. Be it wanting to enter an industry and meeting a member who is, or having someone killed while you make yourself known publicly at a bar or party so as to have an albi.

But "process" and "system" cannot be construed as the same thing. JB makes it sound like a naturally occurring Sicilian phenomenon whereas BB (more accurately) describes it as a formal criminal organization. He discredits his father quite a bit despite his best efforts to try and emulate him. JB claims he left AZ "out of his world," BB comes around and says his dad had 3 crews there, you get the picture.

There are some here who will (rightfully) argue his worth. He did know his father, interviewed him and was probably given a history lesson. But you really have to sift through alot of bullshit. Like the day Roselli was on the rag in prison so he just confided to Bill Bonanno that he was the second grassy knoll shooter that killed JFK on behalf of Sam Giancana. It makes it difficult to use him as a reference on others events that we know are true.

In 98 while promoting his book he did an online question and answer and didn't answer shit.
Q: When did you join the mafia?
A: Having a ceremony was a mere formality because I was born a mafioso.
I know the publisher pressured Bonanno into writing about JFK stuff. I'm not excusing it, but that was publisher's idea. Not trying to defend BB, just offering an interesting side note.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by cavita » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:43 am

Sounds good...thanks!

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Snakes » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:02 am

cavita wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:02 am
cavita wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:53 am Many of the files I have from 1983 on can't quite determine where Rockford lies in the scheme of things- the bureau, which identified Buscemi as the underboss in 1964 through 1981 now suddenly can't figure out if he is Rockford underboss, a Chicago LCN member or a Sicilan Maffia member as they put it. Numerous times in the 1990s files they describe a Sicilian mafia faction in Rockford as if the family was swallowed up by the Sicilians and then there is the above file that stated Rockford faction of Chicago. It's not black and white and that's what is frustrating in the research.
@Snakes: do you have the continuation of your document that has the inclusion of all the criminal intelligence information regarding the Rockford branch including its members and associates?
I do not have the exact file that they are referring to above but to avoid hijacking this thread I'll send you a PM and we can talk more about it there.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by The Greek » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:03 am

Amazing thread!

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Frank » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:49 pm

Just think there was almost a CI on the Commission

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Antiliar » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:14 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:04 am
Antiliar wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:24 am Ever read the book "Honor Thy Father" by Gay Talese? It all came from Bill Bonanno during the so-called "Banana War."
Yeah I have the book. It came out in 1971 after Talese interviewd Bill B. So we are not talking here about him being an informant in the traditionel way, like a member talking to LE, but rather Bill talking to an author? And are you sure these talks took place during the so called "Bananas war" and not after? The book is awful by the way. Riddled with factual errors.
Anyone who is willing to speak at length with a New York Times and magazine writer would not have a problem speaking with law enforcement. Anyway, glad that Ed and JD joined in to remove any doubt.

Re: Info from San Jose informants 1960s

by Frank » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:16 pm

Also notice that he states that Jerry Catena is Genovese acting boss. Not Eboli or Lombardo.

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