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Stroccos wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:18 am nick Nardi is realted to the milanos , Nick was a officer in the IAB CLUB , no surprise he was in photos with those guys , there are tons of photos of carmen with those guys from the iab club which the milanos owned

Stroccos wrote: , there is another nepo guy russ masseta , The photo people are claiming to be masseta wedding its not his wedding . Milano making a few guys he could trust , his brother and son in law ,
I know Rusty as well , actually did my flooring at a nice discount which still is great shape years later ,

JoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:42 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:51 pm True that Anthony Milano was dead by then , but many syndicate peoples sons got respect for simply being someones son , i don't recall every meeting Peter so I cant comment on him, although it would seem Peter father helped him get associated but as you stated he cut his own teeth in LA for the most part ,being from Cleveland

Peter acted as an usher at Anna Dragna's wedding to Steve Niotta along with Paul Adamo (Girolamo's stepson), through the relationship between Anthony/Josephine Milano and Jack/Frances Dragna so his family connections would have definitely helped early on.

Stroccos wrote: I can only guess Peter wanted someone he could fully trust as no 2 , it would be interesting to KNow what Jimmy Caci thought of Carmen , We know Jack Locicerio had zero repsect for him he was caught on a wire bad mouthing the mILanos , to me he's a nepo baby and not a tuff guy at all I wouldn't fear him even if he was underboss

Yes, despite their later problems it does appear that Peter was closer to Carmen than Frank Angelo and John or at least trusted him the most from a criminal standpoint. There are photos of Carmen with Nicholas A. Nardi and Russell Masetta as well as pictures of him at Masetta's wedding to Peter's daughter (February 1976, when Pete would have been in Terminal Island), which helps to demonstrate their relationship.

Kenji doesn't seem to have shared anything about Jimmy Caci and Carmen interacting (outside of the Palm Springs ceremony) but we do know that Stephen Cino (later Jimmy's acting captain) would meet with Milano at John Mascia's deli in Las Vegas with Gallo at times. They don't seem to have had any problems with each other but we obviously can't assume that extended to the rest of the crew.

As for LoCicero, he was an old-time member and formerly under Michael Rizzitello so his opinions about the brothers were probably doubly negative. Peter Milano doesn't seem to have really valued the consigliere position much either way - LoCicero was a leftover from the Brooklier admin and was never formally replaced after he died.

Both Fiato and Gallo believed Carmen to be the "tougher brother" but that doesn't really mean much in a 1980s California family.

Stroccos wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:51 pm True that Anthony Milano was dead by then , but many syndicate peoples sons got respect for simply being someones son , i don't recall every meeting Peter so I cant comment on him, although it would seem Peter father helped him get associated but as you stated he cut his own teeth in LA for the most part ,being from Cleveland

Stroccos wrote: I can only guess Peter wanted someone he could fully trust as no 2 , it would be interesting to KNow what Jimmy Caci thought of Carmen , We know Jack Locicerio had zero repsect for him he was caught on a wire bad mouthing the mILanos , to me he's a nepo baby and not a tuff guy at all I wouldn't fear him even if he was underboss

JoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:00 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:36 am I would add Carmen Milano to that list , never would have been made hadn't been for his dad being a legend , and brother becoming La boss ,

I think Anthony Milano had very little to do with Carmen becoming a member, it was very clearly his brother Peter who brought him to Southern California. Despite their later issues in the 1990s when activity for Los Angeles briefly ramped up in the early-to-mid 1980s, Carmen was his brother's strongest supporter (outside of Louie Gelfuso) and it's pretty easy to see why he would be made the underboss instead of someone like Jimmy Caci or Jack LoCicero.

From Craig Fiato's account, Carmen was apparently also better connected to the New York families.

We often hear from Fratianno and Kenji Gallo that Peter Milano was only made as a result of nepotism but that glosses over the fact that he had been an associate since the late 1940s, was at one point married to an important San Jose member's daughter and through connections with the Dippolito/Brooklier crew, had built up his own operations in San Fernando etc.

Ridgewood 79 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:01 am Jr Gotti 1000 percent I seen that debacle personally just didn't wanna start a mob tube thing on this forum especially with dudes dum sister God she's stupid

pat_marcy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:38 am Detroit must have a few nepo babies surely

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:40 pm Junior Gotti is a big example. He was made very young without having to do anything and very soon after was promoted to Captain (the youngest in the country) without really doing anything other than being the son of the Boss.


Pogo

pat_marcy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:16 pm So he was a nepo baby till his dad went away you could say haha