by CabriniGreen » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:44 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:28 am
AntComello wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:14 am
TommyGambino wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:57 am
AntComello wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:59 am
So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.
Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are
I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?
From what I've seen from the DEA and other law enforcement, these are the levels of the drug trade:
Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors
Generally speaking, it seems the American LCN (primarily the NY families) operate around the middle levels, i.e. the multi-kilo and pound distributors; with a lesser involvement at the importer level above and the ounce-level distributor level below.
When you talk about "100 kilo type shit," 100 kilos of what? If you're talking about something like a single bust of an American LCN operation which will result in 100 kilos of cocaine or heroin being seized, no, we will probably never see that. 100 kilos of marijuana is another matter.
In the 2011 Gambino bust, several Gambino members and associates were indicted on charges that, among other things, included the charge of distributing "hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills, all of which generated millions of dollars in illegal proceeds for the Gambino Family." However, this was over a 20+ year time period from the late-1980's through 2010.
A year prior, in 2010, John Venizelos, a Bonanno associate and "major Staten Island-based distributor of narcotics," was indicted. The charges alleged he was part of larger, interconnected drug trafficking conspiracies that, in addition to 80 kilos of cocaine and $10 million being seized, trafficked "over $1 billion worth of marijuana, cocaine, and ecstasy into the United States between 1998 and 2012." But this figure was attributed to the the "Rizzuto and Bonanno crime families, the Hells Angels, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Native American traffickers." In other words, multiple organizations trafficking in several types of drugs going various places. For the Bonanno family's part, it was alleged "tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana" were smuggled from Canada into the U.S., and much of it was sold there by "distributors tied to the Bonanno crime family in New York."
When you look at the cases over the past 10-20 years, the American LCN traffics in significant amounts of marijuana and prescription drugs, and to a lesser extent cocaine. Negligible involvement when it comes to heroin or meth. Ecstasy was big for them 20 years ago but that doesn't seem to be as much the case anymore.
This case alleged there was a plot to smuggle 500 kilograms of cocaine, originating in South America with ultimate destination in Europe. It seems those involved were busted for that happened and, as we've seen in other cases, American LCN figures were working with NY-based Ndrangheta affiliates to broker the drugs in what is primarily an Ndrangheta operation.
Yes sir...spot on here...
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So does anyone think guys any of the Ny Families are moving large quantities of drugs? With close ties to these Serbs and other individuals I would have to think they are.
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Not sure about the others but safe to say the Gambinos are
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I know we’ve seen associates get popped selling small-medium quantities but I’m talking like 100 plus kilo type shit. I believe they are but we havnt seen any indictments whatsoever involving mob guys and LARGE quantity busts. Do you think it’s just a matter of time before something like that happens?
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From what I've seen from the DEA and other law enforcement, these are the levels of the drug trade:
Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors
Generally speaking, it seems the American LCN (primarily the NY families) operate around the middle levels, i.e. the multi-kilo and pound distributors; with a lesser involvement at the importer level above and the ounce-level distributor level below.
When you talk about "100 kilo type shit," 100 kilos of what? If you're talking about something like a single bust of an American LCN operation which will result in 100 kilos of cocaine or heroin being seized, no, we will probably never see that. 100 kilos of marijuana is another matter.
In the 2011 Gambino bust, several Gambino members and associates were indicted on charges that, among other things, included the charge of distributing "hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills, all of which generated millions of dollars in illegal proceeds for the Gambino Family." However, this was over a 20+ year time period from the late-1980's through 2010.
A year prior, in 2010, John Venizelos, a Bonanno associate and "major Staten Island-based distributor of narcotics," was indicted. The charges alleged he was part of larger, interconnected drug trafficking conspiracies that, in addition to 80 kilos of cocaine and $10 million being seized, trafficked "over $1 billion worth of marijuana, cocaine, and ecstasy into the United States between 1998 and 2012." But this figure was attributed to the the "Rizzuto and Bonanno crime families, the Hells Angels, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Native American traffickers." In other words, multiple organizations trafficking in several types of drugs going various places. For the Bonanno family's part, it was alleged "tens of thousands of pounds of marijuana" were smuggled from Canada into the U.S., and much of it was sold there by "distributors tied to the Bonanno crime family in New York."
When you look at the cases over the past 10-20 years, the American LCN traffics in significant amounts of marijuana and prescription drugs, and to a lesser extent cocaine. Negligible involvement when it comes to heroin or meth. Ecstasy was big for them 20 years ago but that doesn't seem to be as much the case anymore.
[quote=TommyGambino post_id=258885 time=1681221012 user_id=726]Franco Lupoi a n associate of the Gambino and Ndrangheta, you might remember this https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2014/twenty-four-defendants-with-ties-to-powerful-italian-organized-crime-syndicate-known-as-the-ndrangheta-arrested-in-coordinated-u.s.-italian-takedown
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This case alleged there was a plot to smuggle 500 kilograms of cocaine, originating in South America with ultimate destination in Europe. It seems those involved were busted for that happened and, as we've seen in other cases, American LCN figures were working with NY-based Ndrangheta affiliates to broker the drugs in what is primarily an Ndrangheta operation.
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Yes sir...spot on here...