THE BLACK HAND FORUM

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:41 am Underboss by Gerard Oneil and Dick Lehr (same people who wrote black mass) It's the best and really only book I know on them. Lots of transcripts from the tapes.

trafficante wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:11 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:28 am what do people make of this photo of Ferrara and Mercurio meeting with Bulger and Flemmi? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... /64444985/

Great find David. I'd thought I had seen every Winter Hill Gang surveillance photo until you posted this one--some of the Castle Island surveillance photos are real gems. Wondering what that meeting could have been about given how three of them were informants (Flemmi, Bulger, and Mercurio.)

trafficante wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:11 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:28 am what do people make of this photo of Ferrara and Mercurio meeting with Bulger and Flemmi? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... /64444985/

Great find David. I'd thought I had seen every Winter Hill Gang surveillance photo until you posted this one--some of the Castle Island surveillance photos are real gems. Wondering what that meeting could have been about given how three of them were informants (Flemmi, Bulger, and Mercurio.)

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:28 am what do people make of this photo of Ferrara and Mercurio meeting with Bulger and Flemmi? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... /64444985/

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:28 pm

mike68 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:05 am I am somewhat skeptical that Ferrara was responsible for twelve hits. But I suppose it's possible. And did the parking spot incident ever really happen?

While I am not sure about the incident in a parking spot did happen Mike. This article mentions that Ferrara was believed to have been involved in the hit on a Dapper Corlito at the request of Prince street which I guess is the Angiulos https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 994363/and here is an early article about Dapper Corlito's murder which they say was part of a gang war in the North End between rival gangs. https://www.newspapers.com/article/atho ... 114173818/

mike68 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:05 am I am somewhat skeptical that Ferrara was responsible for twelve hits. But I suppose it's possible. And did the parking spot incident ever really happen?

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:00 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:28 am What do people make of this early article about Vincent Ferrara? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 75944/this one mentions that he worked for Danny Angiulo and was a candidate for induction according to Zannino and Cincotti

what do people make of this photo of Ferrara and Mercurio meeting with Bulger and Flemmi? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... /64444985/

Hey David I love these clippings you find. Feel free to PM me with any of the ones you find interesting. So is paying for that newspaper service worth it in your opinion?

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:28 am What do people make of this early article about Vincent Ferrara? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 75944/this one mentions that he worked for Danny Angiulo and was a candidate for induction according to Zannino and Cincotti

what do people make of this photo of Ferrara and Mercurio meeting with Bulger and Flemmi? https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... /64444985/

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:40 pm Guy owned aton of real estate. Had a personal bank washing all his gambling money. Think I read he would have a family member deposit just under 10000 every weekday at the bank. Making small bill wash. Had a huge real estate book and lent out 100k loans like he was a mortgage broker

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:23 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:37 am

Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 2:58 pm

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 6:24 am

Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:25 pm Buddy is confirmed as an informant

Thanks for your reply and if Buddy mclean and Howie were informants does that Joe Mac mcdonald was the only one who didn't cooperate with law enforcement in the winter-hill gang?

Don't believe Howie was. That's why he kept taking pinches due to the "unindicted co-conspirators" whitey and stevey. I think everyone was clean,with the exception of Johnny M but that was years later. He testified but was never an informant.

Apparently theres fbi docs that back up the claim Howie was an informant. From what they've said on double deal he was cut loose as an informant early on, much before the horse race indictment. But still waiting on double deal to talk about the files they requested/received. I am a little skeptical too we'll see

Thanks for your interesting comments Jake. I was a bit skeptical about the claim that Howie Winter was an informant so I can't wait to see the files the double deal podcast has to prove their case about Howie being an informant before the horse race indictment. Although this article https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 8/suggests that both Howie Winter and Ciulla were unindicted coconspirators in race fixing at the Pocono Downs which also involved the nephew of mob boss Russell Bufalino who was played by Joe Pesci in the film Irishman.

What does the term unindicted coconspirators actually mean in criminal cases?

I believe it means someone who was involved with the crime but is not being charged

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:37 am

Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 2:58 pm

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 6:24 am

Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:25 pm Buddy is confirmed as an informant

Thanks for your reply and if Buddy mclean and Howie were informants does that Joe Mac mcdonald was the only one who didn't cooperate with law enforcement in the winter-hill gang?

Don't believe Howie was. That's why he kept taking pinches due to the "unindicted co-conspirators" whitey and stevey. I think everyone was clean,with the exception of Johnny M but that was years later. He testified but was never an informant.

Apparently theres fbi docs that back up the claim Howie was an informant. From what they've said on double deal he was cut loose as an informant early on, much before the horse race indictment. But still waiting on double deal to talk about the files they requested/received. I am a little skeptical too we'll see

Thanks for your interesting comments Jake. I was a bit skeptical about the claim that Howie Winter was an informant so I can't wait to see the files the double deal podcast has to prove their case about Howie being an informant before the horse race indictment. Although this article https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 8/suggests that both Howie Winter and Ciulla were unindicted coconspirators in race fixing at the Pocono Downs which also involved the nephew of mob boss Russell Bufalino who was played by Joe Pesci in the film Irishman.

What does the term unindicted coconspirators actually mean in criminal cases?