Vena’s crew

[Snakes]

If DiFronzo was a rat then why wasn’t he called to testify at the family secrets trials?

They’re saying he was a dry snitch. Somebody who tips off law enforcement throughout their career without their identity ever being named. Greg Scarpa is an example of this, he was an informer for 30 years and enjoyed a career with no jail time. Peter Lovaglio was one for a while I believe, Frank Sparaco was another, and Dennis Guzzardo too.

I think the "DiFronzo as informant" thing is all bullshit. I remember some people floating it out there on ANP and others ran with it. The main thought behind it was that he wasn't indicted in Family Secrets but neither was Lou Marino, who was also pegged as being in the basement during the Spilotro killings. DiFronzo's name was also on preliminary case files as someone who could potentially be indicted which I do not think would have been the case had he been a "high echelon" informant. It wouldn't make sense to include his name and then remember that he was an informant and scratch him from the list of defendants. It was more likely a case of them not having any corroborating evidence to support Nick's testimony that led to him not being indicted.

[Frank]

Yes and I think LE thought that they would get that corroborating evidence in the future, but never did. Remember LE talking about Family secrets 2, which never came about. Also like you said he was originally, aand correct me if I'm wrong,Tornabene also, part of the early stages of Family secrets. Was it one of the CI's that said Sarno kicked up to DiFronzo? Also CI 1 was supplying info since the 80s. DiFronzo and Carlisi were indicted ,along with others, in the Rincon case, which I believe the crimes were committed in the late 80s.

[Frank]

It's been going on for years that the top boss of the Outfit appears retired or semi retired and with that seems less active.

[Snakes]

Yes and I think LE thought that they would get that corroborating evidence in the future, but never did. Remember LE talking about Family secrets 2, which never came about. Also like you said he was originally, aand correct me if I'm wrong,Tornabene also, part of the early stages of Family secrets. Was it one of the CI's that said Sarno kicked up to DiFronzo? Also CI 1 was supplying info since the 80s. DiFronzo and Carlisi were indicted ,along with others, in the Rincon case, which I believe the crimes were committed in the late 80s.

If a CI provided information which contained references to himself, the agent would write the report as if they were two separate people, so as not to divulge the identity of the informant.

What I find funny is that the same guys on ANP who said that DiFronzo was an informant were the same dopes saying that he retired. How reliable and up-to-date could his info be if he was no longer active in Outfit affairs?

[Confederate]

I would think that since it is a government memo referencing "member" and "associate" that they are taking it literally.

If we are to take the words "Member" & "Associate" literally, the report said CI#2 was a High Level Associate which would eliminate DiFronzo. That leaves CI#1 who has been informing from before 1985. I seriously doubt that person would be DiFronzo.

In general, (nothing to do with Difronzo) a high level Mob guy could still be a "Dry Snitch" even if he is inactive because people close to him can tell him things that can be repeated to the Feds.

[Frank]

DiFronzo doesn't fit the description of being dead for quite a while, if the guy Snakes said is correct.

[NothingNew44]

I always thought the case against Marcy and Roti hurt the Outfit real bad, and was the main cause of their downhill trend.

Also the Strawman Case that sent Auippa, Cerone, Lombardo & LaPietra away.
Then, all those cases in the 1990's, devastating.

I’d say the Dorfman and teamsters case in the late 70s as well. The Counselors Row Case broke the power base in the first ward. Political clout and influence was removed and never regained remotely to a similar degree. The Strawman case cannot be overstated, it truly devastated and crushed the pipeline of easy cash from LV. All of this in really a span of a decade.

[I 25 I]

Hint: you dont hear about them, they are doing great!

[Pogo The Clown]

Hint: you dont hear about them, they are doing great!

Dallas, Madison and San Francisco must be thriving then.


Pogo

[Philly d]

If DiFronzo was a rat then why wasn’t he called to testify at the family secrets trials?

They’re saying he was a dry snitch. Somebody who tips off law enforcement throughout their career without their identity ever being named. Greg Scarpa is an example of this, he was an informer for 30 years and enjoyed a career with no jail time. Peter Lovaglio was one for a while I believe, Frank Sparaco was another, and Dennis Guzzardo too.

Dry snitching isn’t that.

[gohnjotti]

If DiFronzo was a rat then why wasn’t he called to testify at the family secrets trials?

They’re saying he was a dry snitch. Somebody who tips off law enforcement throughout their career without their identity ever being named. Greg Scarpa is an example of this, he was an informer for 30 years and enjoyed a career with no jail time. Peter Lovaglio was one for a while I believe, Frank Sparaco was another, and Dennis Guzzardo too.

Dry snitching isn’t that.

I think that's what the reference to here is. I know the real definition of dry-snitching is where you don't intend to do any harm, etc., or where you don't know you're snitching, but I don't think that's what people are referring to here.

[JeremyTheJew]

scarpa by definition was NOT a dry snitch

[gohnjotti]

When people refer to mobsters being dry snitch, I always took it as snitches that were never called to testify. I never took it by the literal definition of "people that accidentally snitch" or whatever dry snitching really means because I find that that's just not very applicable with mobsters.

[I 25 I]

Hint: you dont hear about them, they are doing great!

Dallas, Madison and San Francisco must be thriving then.


Pogo

That only works if they are not dead

[gohnjotti]

Hint: you dont hear about them, they are doing great!

Dallas, Madison and San Francisco must be thriving then.


Pogo

That only works if they are not dead

So the Trafficante crime family in Tampa was doing incredibly well during the 1990s, right? And then they just... died?