Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29-year prison term this month

[Super]

gene was made before john and was an earner from everything ive heard but it seems like john bought all the bros in .

[Confederate]

In the 1990’s almost every family’s boss was in prison and the fbi had a hard on for the mob in nyc like no tomorrow. Nowadays the fbi has shifted focus towards terrorists and the mob has bosses functioning on the streets. Barney has been on the street since 2008 and dom has been on the streets since 2011. The gambinos have rly bounced back since the 90’s. Back 20 years ago junior and other idiot gotti’s were destroying the family’s legacy. Nowadays dom, frank, and lorenzo have given more respect to the family’s name. There’s also not as many fbi squads assigned to the 5 families which helps the wiseguys in a way. From what i see, some families r doin much better in 2018 than what they were doin 20 years ago. Certain families like the bonannos and the decavlcantes of nj r in worse shape today, but in general the mob is doin better.

Keep rooting with that wishful thinking for a losing cause because the inevitable will happen. There is no question about it. Just a matter of time. The Feds know almost every move that is being made from one source or another. They just bide their time until there is enough evidence for a conviction. The LCN, as a whole, is a joke compared to the past. Anyone who thinks differently is living in a fantasy world. There is attrition of the older guys, way to many informants, way too many regular people with cameras, high tech surveillance and younger guys that are only in it for themselves, many of whom have some kind of addiction problem. The only possible hope to sustain longer is to bring in more Zips from the old Country. They are a different breed from these younger Italian American guys born and raised in the Me, Me, Me generation. For Gene Gotti, it will be like he landed on a different planet compared to 1989. If he is smart, he'll quit and go way in the background like some of the guys in Chicago in order to not die in prison and let the remnants of the Mob simply die a slow death.

[Pogo The Clown]

Again Slim you are not living in the real world. The reason the FBI is devoting far less resources to the mob is because the mob is far less of a criminal threat today. Up to the mid-90s they had the ability to literally shut down NYC and Upstate NJ if they wanted to. Today that is no longer the case. And like I said up top most families have either disappeared or have been reduced to shells of themselves. There is no comparison to mob now compared to the 90s.


Pogo

[gohnjotti]

The argument can be made that the lack of FBI pressure has allowed the Five Families to reorganize and stabilize, but the fact remains that they are on a gradual decline simply due to the changing environment of New York and New Jersey and the rackets they once ruled with an iron fist.

[Wiseguy]

In the 1990’s almost every family’s boss was in prison and the fbi had a hard on for the mob in nyc like no tomorrow. Nowadays the fbi has shifted focus towards terrorists and the mob has bosses functioning on the streets. Barney has been on the street since 2008 and dom has been on the streets since 2011. The gambinos have rly bounced back since the 90’s. Back 20 years ago junior and other idiot gotti’s were destroying the family’s legacy. Nowadays dom, frank, and lorenzo have given more respect to the family’s name. There’s also not as many fbi squads assigned to the 5 families which helps the wiseguys in a way. From what i see, some families r doin much better in 2018 than what they were doin 20 years ago. Certain families like the bonannos and the decavlcantes of nj r in worse shape today, but in general the mob is doin better.

Keep rooting with that wishful thinking for a losing cause because the inevitable will happen. There is no question about it. Just a matter of time. The Feds know almost every move that is being made from one source or another. They just bide their time until there is enough evidence for a conviction. The LCN, as a whole, is a joke compared to the past. Anyone who thinks differently is living in a fantasy world. There is attrition of the older guys, way to many informants, way too many regular people with cameras, high tech surveillance and younger guys that are only in it for themselves, many of whom have some kind of addiction problem. The only possible hope to sustain longer is to bring in more Zips from the old Country. They are a different breed from these younger Italian American guys born and raised in the Me, Me, Me generation. For Gene Gotti, it will be like he landed on a different planet compared to 1989. If he is smart, he'll quit and go way in the background like some of the guys in Chicago in order to not die in prison and let the remnants of the Mob simply die a slow death.

Recent statements by the feds have said that, while the LCN in most of the rest of the country isn't considered a problem, the NY families "aren't growing but are sustaining." One official said they were "stronger than they have been in years," which could be a possibility if we're talking since the early 2000's forward.

[Pogo The Clown]

Dollars to donuts those statements are an attempt to hype up the threat so as not to lose any more of their funding. We see that a lot in LE. Particularly at the Federal level.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Dollars to donuts those statements are an attempt to hype up the threat so as not to lose any more of their funding. We see that a lot in LE. Particularly at the Federal level.

Hang on.

We can’t believe the feds when we want, and not when we don’t want.

Doesn’t work that way.

Believe the feds or don’t. But don’t cherry pick.

[Pogo The Clown]

Well is that "stronger than they have been in years," statement the official position of the FBI or the opinion of one agent? Becase that is two very different things. Considering that Feds continue to decrease the amount of resources they devote to LCN I would wager they don't consider LCN to be stronger than they have been in years. So like I said it just sounds like an agent who doesn't want to his office lose more funding.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

It’s all good. Not picking a fight.

Im just saying if you’re willing to play ball with the numbers and draw your own conclusion then slim should be able to, too.

[slimshady_007]

Dollars to donuts those statements are an attempt to hype up the threat so as not to lose any more of their funding. We see that a lot in LE. Particularly at the Federal level.

Hang on.

We can’t believe the feds when we want, and not when we don’t want.

Doesn’t work that way.

Believe the feds or don’t. But don’t cherry pick.

Thank u for pointing that out. Ur 100% right.

[Frank]

New England and Chicago are weaker than they were 20 years ago.

[Confederate]

Dollars to donuts those statements are an attempt to hype up the threat so as not to lose any more of their funding. We see that a lot in LE. Particularly at the Federal level.

Hang on.

We can’t believe the feds when we want, and not when we don’t want.

Doesn’t work that way.

Believe the feds or don’t. But don’t cherry pick.

The ORIGINAL statement by Slim was that the " LCN was doing better now than in the 1990'S". To me, the LCN means every Family in the United States, not just the New York 5. Going by that criteria, the LCN (which means every family in the U.S. as a whole) is not even close to the power they held 25 years ago. If you want to cherry pick the Gambino's and say they are possibly doing a little better now than when Junior Gotti was Boss, that could be true or maybe the Genovese's are at least holding their own since they are far superior to the other 3 New York groups, that might be true. But as a whole, the LCN of 2018 is a joke compared to the LCN 25 years ago in 1993.

[eboli]

LCN's influence has been gradually declining since the 80's. As a whole they are weaker now than in the 90's, but as an organizational structure I think they are doing better than they were 20 years ago. That doesn't translate to money making and their recruitment pool has shrunk significantly, which is more obvious with the smaller families. Who would be stupid enough to paint a target on his back in 2018? Back then - in the late 90's, early 00's - I thought they were one major bust away from being reduced to street gangs. Wasn't that actually the case with Philly before Uncle Joe took over the family?

[Confederate]

Eventually, the American LCN will be down from 24 Families to 2 Families. At some point in the reasonably near future, all the Families outside of New York will be gone. Then, some time later, the Lucchese, Bonnano and Colombo Families will be gone or consolidated into 2 Families: the Genovese's and the Gambino's. Those two will be the last standing, in particular, the Genovese's. It's inevitable, only a matter of time. The writing on the wall seems very clear, at least to me. It's a natural evolution of nature taking it's course since The Italian Americans seem so entrenched in the success of America and so assimilated, that the LCN is more and more a handicap rather than a stepping stone like it was years ago. Just my 2 cent observation.

[Rat]

I think New York is stronger than it was in the late 1990s and early 2000s. During that period bosses seemed to be getting locked up left and right, but now most of the five families have had stable leadership for nearly a decade.