Joey Lombardo Update

[Confederate]

But I still believe Aiuppa outranked Cerone. But will definitely keep in mind that Cerone, possibly had more power than Aiuppa.

I just presented another strong piece of evidence from an F.B.I Agent who had this told to him from Ralph Pierce. If you compare Cerone to other #2's in the past like Ferraro or Bucceri or Nicoletti, Cerone was far different and more powerful. Something to consider, that's all.

It is something to consider. I see your point and some evidence. But I , in my mind need more proof. We already knew Cerone was the former operations boss, so naturally we already knew that he carried alot of weight. I believe he came from the same crew or territory as Accardo, who at the time was the top boss. Now does that translate into Cerone having more power and authority than Aiuppa?? I don't know. Aiuppa was hand-picked by Ricca and Accardo, so Aiuppa has a connection in that with Accardo. We just don't know yet if Cerone could of had the boss job again. Heard it mentioned, but never seen evidence. When Cerone became Underboss was Aiuppa and Nicoletti official or acting? Also was the Ruling Panel still in charge?? When they wanted Cerone to take a more active part in the Outfit, and he didn't want to be out front, if that's really the case, how do we know how Accardo handled this without stripping Aiuppa's authority. I think he just gave Aiuppa a strong Underboss with lots of experience, that helped and advised Aiuppa. Also everyone that listened to Chicago news in the middle to late seventies heard of Jackie Cerone, so much for being behind the scenes.

That' just it. Cerone never had the Boss job when he came out. He didn't WANT the boss job again. Auippa was never stripped of anything. What Ralph Pierce and Roemer are saying is that Cerone was INDEED more behind the scenes as an Advisor, at least at the beginning, then it appeared he got more and more dragged into daily things and ended up going to Jail with Auippa on the Strawman Case. You should read read the full statement made by Roemer in his book once again or on that other thread where I typed it. It is very clear.

You keep thinking that Auippa was demoted somehow. Auippa NEVER CHANGED, Romer said Cerone was simply above him along with Accardo in the same way that Accardo and Ricca were above Giancana or you could look at it if it is more easier to accept as an eventual triumvirate and Cerone simply replace Alex. Something to consider either way.

[Confederate]

Lol actually it's funny that if true Cerone wanted to be a more behind the scenes boss, because I remember him from news from back when indicted in 69 or 70 to the indictments in the mid 80s. Don't remember hearing Aiuppa's name till maybe the late 70's and definitely in the 80's. I knew who Cerone was, through current events, not sure about Aiuppa. So who was more behind the scene??

Everybody in the whole United States knew Paul Ricca and Tony Accardo's name in the late 1950's. Doesn't mean they weren't Advisors more in the background to Giancana, now did it? Ricca, Accardo & Cerone were all former Day To Day Bosses before Auippa so their reputation stayed with them.
C'mon Frank...., that's obvious. This thread is about Lombardo so I think we should stop here about the Cerone thing. Everybody can draw their own conclusions from the obvious facts.

[Frank]

Lol actually it's funny that if true Cerone wanted to be a more behind the scenes boss, because I remember him from news from back when indicted in 69 or 70 to the indictments in the mid 80s. Don't remember hearing Aiuppa's name till maybe the late 70's and definitely in the 80's. I knew who Cerone was, through current events, not sure about Aiuppa. So who was more behind the scene??

Everybody in the whole United States knew Paul Ricca and Tony Accardo's name in the late 1950's. Doesn't mean they weren't Advisors more in the background to Giancana, now did it? Ricca, Accardo & Cerone were all former Day To Day Bosses before Auippa so their reputation stayed with them.
C'mon Frank...., that's obvious. This thread is about Lombardo so I think we should stop here about the Cerone thing. Everybody can draw their own conclusions from the obvious facts.

Yes it is the Clowns thread we'll stop but I get where your coming from and maybe some more info would convince me, but not from Roemer. Also Ricca and Accardo were not ID as Giancana's underboss. But I do compare it to my thought of some charts that have Addriachi listed as Marcello and Sarno's underboss. That Addriachi was boss of the northern crews and Marcello and Sarno were boss of the southern crews. With Addriachi being a DiFronzo guy, having just as much power or possibly more than Marcello and Sarno.That was a theory of mine. Aiuppa on the other hand as been said to have been boss and Cerone underboss for years. Like I said maybe new info will come out about that time period and you will be proven right.

[Confederate]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

[Frank]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

Ok, I'll be on the Capone legacy 64 to 75 thread

[Pete]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

According to the only made member to testify cerone was underboss to aiuppa. Make of that what you will

[Confederate]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

According to the only made member to testify cerone was underboss to aiuppa. Make of that what you will

What I made of it was that Accardo and Cerone did a good job of having lower level guys like Nick Calabrese believe it. Now, if A guy like Gus Alex said that Cerone was subservient to Auippa, that would be a whole different story because he would have been in a position to know like Ralph Pierce who was close to Accardo. Anyway that's what I made of it.

[FriendofFamily]

In the meantime tick tick tick for Joey Lombardo....

Another day older and deeper in debt

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Gives it new meaning.

[Villain]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

According to the only made member to testify cerone was underboss to aiuppa. Make of that what you will

What I made of it was that Accardo and Cerone did a good job of having lower level guys like Nick Calabrese believe it. Now, if A guy like Gus Alex said that Cerone was subservient to Auippa, that would be a whole different story because he would have been in a position to know like Ralph Pierce who was close to Accardo. Anyway that's what I made of it.

Well we have to be honest that in 73 or 74 Alex insisted for Cerone to take his place, whatever type of top spot that was, and its quite possible that he really took that position and he and Spilotro met with Giancana and possibly talked about Vegas or whatever since Giancana still held some juice at the time because according to some infos he allegedly cancelled or was allegedly against some given contract during that same period but if im.not mistaken story goes that Nicoletti and the rest still went forward and killed the guy. I also dont think that this info was known by the lower level members regarding the top admin

[Frank]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

According to the only made member to testify cerone was underboss to aiuppa. Make of that what you will

What I made of it was that Accardo and Cerone did a good job of having lower level guys like Nick Calabrese believe it. Now, if A guy like Gus Alex said that Cerone was subservient to Auippa, that would be a whole different story because he would have been in a position to know like Ralph Pierce who was close to Accardo. Anyway that's what I made of it.

Well we have to be honest that in 73 or 74 Alex insisted for Cerone to take his place, whatever type of top spot that was, and its quite possible that he really took that position and he and Spilotro met with Giancana and possibly talked about Vegas or whatever since Giancana still held some juice at the time because according to some infos he allegedly cancelled or was allegedly against some given contract during that same period but if im.not mistaken story goes that Nicoletti and the rest still went forward and killed the guy. I also dont think that this info was known by the lower level members regarding the top admin

I'm not saying Confederate is wrong. It's something to look into. It would be different for an ex boss to become underboss, but it has happened in other families. I'm just skeptical because it's been a fact for over 40 years that Cerone was thought to be underboss and under Aiuppa, and wanted it that way. With Roemer being the main source for information and his track record for being inaccurate. But I can definitely see where it's possible for Cerone to have been mislabeled as underboss and being in Accardo's old spot and Accardo in Ricca's old spot. I just think to change history we need more info. I think a guy like Mike Magnifichi would know the rank of Cerone, since he was his driver and also golfed with Cerone and Accardo.

[Villain]

I'm not saying Confederate is wrong. It's something to look into. It would be different for an ex boss to become underboss, but it has happened in other families. I'm just skeptical because it's been a fact for over 40 years that Cerone was thought to be underboss and under Aiuppa, and wanted it that way. With Roemer being the main source for information and his track record for being inaccurate. But I can definitely see where it's possible for Cerone to have been mislabeled as underboss and being in Accardo's old spot and Accardo in Ricca's old spot. I just think to change history we need more info. I think a guy like Mike Magnifichi would know the rank of Cerone, since he was his driver and also golfed with Cerone and Accardo.

Youre absolutely right buddy, there are many examples where these guys somehow switched among the top spots. Like for example i still personally believe that Accardo took a step back in 1952 and then returned in 55 until 57 when Sam came on the scene and tge truth is that this is all backed by docs and statements. Then he took the advisory role and later became the top guy. Or for example that Frank Scalise dude in NY who from boss went to underboss.

Also i find it quite strange when everyone talks that Sam was shelved and later killed for not sending any cash back because of these two main questions....one...he was deported in 73 and why didnt they kill him then but instead he was iced two years later?....and two, why the hell did they still constantly met with him regarding unknown reasons and didnt kill him at least on one of those numerous meetings?

Again, my point is that when someone reached one of the top positions during one period, that same individual later possibly had the power to switch places with other top members on his own will or was forced by the others or maybe at least he still held an importance regarding certain things. For example neither Ralph Capone nor DeGeorge ever lost their authority since demoted means one thing and shelved means another. We all.know one thing for certain that Cerone was never shelved....demoted or bumped up, maybe

[Confederate]

There is some other info about it but I'm not going to get into it at this time. I believe 100% Cerone was never under Auippa. The number #2 in the Outfit has always been one of the Big Territory Bosses who was the first among equals and the "relay man" in passing orders. Ferraro, Battaglia, Alderisio, Buccieri, Nicoletti all served in this position at some point. I'll leave you with this thought in mind to ponder at your convenience to be discussed in another thread later: "Who was the #2 UNDER Auippa if it was not Cerone"? That is the big question.

According to the only made member to testify cerone was underboss to aiuppa. Make of that what you will

What I made of it was that Accardo and Cerone did a good job of having lower level guys like Nick Calabrese believe it. Now, if A guy like Gus Alex said that Cerone was subservient to Auippa, that would be a whole different story because he would have been in a position to know like Ralph Pierce who was close to Accardo. Anyway that's what I made of it.

Well we have to be honest that in 73 or 74 Alex insisted for Cerone to take his place, whatever type of top spot that was, and its quite possible that he really took that position and he and Spilotro met with Giancana and possibly talked about Vegas or whatever since Giancana still held some juice at the time because according to some infos he allegedly cancelled or was allegedly against some given contract during that same period but if im.not mistaken story goes that Nicoletti and the rest still went forward and killed the guy. I also dont think that this info was known by the lower level members regarding the top admin

I'm not saying Confederate is wrong. It's something to look into. It would be different for an ex boss to become underboss, but it has happened in other families. I'm just skeptical because it's been a fact for over 40 years that Cerone was thought to be underboss and under Aiuppa, and wanted it that way. With Roemer being the main source for information and his track record for being inaccurate. But I can definitely see where it's possible for Cerone to have been mislabeled as underboss and being in Accardo's old spot and Accardo in Ricca's old spot. I just think to change history we need more info. I think a guy like Mike Magnifichi would know the rank of Cerone, since he was his driver and also golfed with Cerone and Accardo.

Ed, one of our posters, told me about an article written by Fosco about Magnafichi who is very close to him. In the article that was approved by Magnifichi, Fosco describes Cerone as being one of the most powerful Mafia Bosses of all time. Obviously he got this info from Magnafichi. Since you were wondering about what Magnafichi thought, now you know. I see no motive on Magnafichi's part to protect Cerone since he died in 1996. Seriously doubt Magnafichi would have said that about Cerone if he was subservient to Auippa for 12 years. But, anything is possible with comments from these guys.

[Dwalin2014]

Why was Cerone nicknamed "Jackie the lackey", weird nickname for somebody that powerful. Or was it made up by journalists and law enforcement?

[Confederate]

Why was Cerone nicknamed "Jackie the lackey", weird nickname for somebody that powerful. Or was it made up by journalists and law enforcement?

Because in the old days when he was much younger, he was Accardo's Chauffer. He was always close to Accardo and Ricca, especially Accardo. I don't know who actually made up that name, probably some journalist. lol

[Villain]

Cerone was a real deffinition for lackey, meaning since day one he owned one gambling spot and was constantly used as driver for the big guys. His cousin used to be the real thing but he survived an assassination attempt during the late 40s and later became a heavy drinker and i.personally belive that Skippy was in fact who taught or brought Cerone into the murder business.

Also heres one interesting doc regarding Lombardo and his gang during the 60s. In addition, Bobby Doer was an alias for Rocco Salvatore. Lombardi is in fact Lombardo

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20lombardi