Joey Lombardo Update

[Confederate]

Does Lombardo started his career in Outfit with Elmwood park crew as chauffeur of Cerone?

I believe he started out as a jewel thief and juice collector. He was under Phil Alderisio.

[Pete]

Does Lombardo started his career in Outfit with Elmwood park crew as chauffeur of Cerone?

I believe he started out as a jewel thief and juice collector. He was under Phil Alderisio.

Your right about being a burglar and collector. For some reason I thought he came up under someone else but You may be right about Milwaukee Phil

[Pete]

Some of these guys are not too smart and do not use the same titles that are used on this Forum. As an example, I don't think one Outfit guy in Chicago ever referred to Tony Accardo as the "Consigliere" of the Outfit.

Correct. You and I have discussed this many times but that term was never used to my knowledge. Nick never mentioned him as a consigliere just a former boss who still had a position in the outfit. I like the term advisor but it’s my contention for a long time the outfit was ran by accardo, aiuppa, and cerone almost as a triumvirate with all 3 having a major say in things of course with accardo as the ultimate power even if he wasn’t boss in name. Those 3 were very tight, spent a lot of time together and when you hear about certain meetings all 3 were there

[Villain]

Does Lombardo started his career in Outfit with Elmwood park crew as chauffeur of Cerone?

I believe he started out as a jewel thief and juice collector. He was under Phil Alderisio.

Your right about being a burglar and collector. For some reason I thought he came up under someone else but You may be right about Milwaukee Phil

It is also possible that he first came up under Rocco Salvatore, Battaglias assistant and chauffeur but later he was obviously under Alderisio

[PaddyWhack]

Question about Tony Spilotro and who he was under. I’ve seen references that he reported directly to Lombardo, but I read Cullota delivered money from Spilotro directly to Joe Ferriloa? That it was Ferriloa asking Cullota if Tony was “sleeping with the Jews wife” and “who is killing all these people in vegas?” Meaning Tony wasn’t getting the ok...who did he report to?

[Snakes]

Remember, Lombardo was indicted in 1981 and imprisoned in December of the next year. It may not have been feasible for him to meet with Cullotta during this time period.

[PaddyWhack]

Remember, Lombardo was indicted in 1981 and imprisoned in December of the next year. It may not have been feasible for him to meet with Cullotta during this time period.

Thanks Snakes, greatly appreciated.

[Confederate]

Some of these guys are not too smart and do not use the same titles that are used on this Forum. As an example, I don't think one Outfit guy in Chicago ever referred to Tony Accardo as the "Consigliere" of the Outfit.

Correct. You and I have discussed this many times but that term was never used to my knowledge. Nick never mentioned him as a consigliere just a former boss who still had a position in the outfit. I like the term advisor but it’s my contention for a long time the outfit was ran by accardo, aiuppa, and cerone almost as a triumvirate with all 3 having a major say in things of course with accardo as the ultimate power even if he wasn’t boss in name. Those 3 were very tight, spent a lot of time together and when you hear about certain meetings all 3 were there

What's interesting is the relationship between Roemer and Accardo. That's what's fascinating. The fact that Roemer put out a little disinformation about Cerone's real role and probably did the same about Ferriola is very interesting. Had to be done for a reason. Roemer also went out of his way to protect Butch Blasi. Roemer wasn't completely forthright for an unknown reason about certain things.

[Frank]

Some of these guys are not too smart and do not use the same titles that are used on this Forum. As an example, I don't think one Outfit guy in Chicago ever referred to Tony Accardo as the "Consigliere" of the Outfit.

Correct. You and I have discussed this many times but that term was never used to my knowledge. Nick never mentioned him as a consigliere just a former boss who still had a position in the outfit. I like the term advisor but it’s my contention for a long time the outfit was ran by accardo, aiuppa, and cerone almost as a triumvirate with all 3 having a major say in things of course with accardo as the ultimate power even if he wasn’t boss in name. Those 3 were very tight, spent a lot of time together and when you hear about certain meetings all 3 were there

What's interesting is the relationship between Roemer and Accardo. That's what's fascinating. The fact that Roemer put out a little disinformation about Cerone's real role and probably did the same about Ferriola is very interesting. Had to be done for a reason. Roemer also went out of his way to protect Butch Blasi. Roemer wasn't completely forthright for an unknown reason about certain things.

Maybe he was paid off.

[Frank]

But I still believe Aiuppa outranked Cerone. But will definitely keep in mind that Cerone, possibly had more power than Aiuppa.

[Snakes]

The FBI eventually stopped using "consigliere" in regards to the Outfit. By the mid-eighties, they were referring to Accardo as a semi-retired counselor for the Outfit, spending most of his time in Palm Springs.

[Confederate]

But I still believe Aiuppa outranked Cerone. But will definitely keep in mind that Cerone, possibly had more power than Aiuppa.

I just presented another strong piece of evidence from an F.B.I Agent who had this told to him from Ralph Pierce. If you compare Cerone to other #2's in the past like Ferraro or Bucceri or Nicoletti, Cerone was far different and more powerful. Something to consider, that's all.

[Confederate]

The FBI eventually stopped using "consigliere" in regards to the Outfit. By the mid-eighties, they were referring to Accardo as a semi-retired counselor for the Outfit, spending most of his time in Palm Springs.

In addition, The 1997 report from the CCC lists also Angelo LaPietra and Joey Lombardo as "Advisors".

[Frank]

But I still believe Aiuppa outranked Cerone. But will definitely keep in mind that Cerone, possibly had more power than Aiuppa.

I just presented another strong piece of evidence from an F.B.I Agent who had this told to him from Ralph Pierce. If you compare Cerone to other #2's in the past like Ferraro or Bucceri or Nicoletti, Cerone was far different and more powerful. Something to consider, that's all.

It is something to consider. I see your point and some evidence. But I , in my mind need more proof. We already knew Cerone was the former operations boss, so naturally we already knew that he carried alot of weight. I believe he came from the same crew or territory as Accardo, who at the time was the top boss. Now does that translate into Cerone having more power and authority than Aiuppa?? I don't know. Aiuppa was hand-picked by Ricca and Accardo, so Aiuppa has a connection in that with Accardo. We just don't know yet if Cerone could of had the boss job again. Heard it mentioned, but never seen evidence. When Cerone became Underboss was Aiuppa and Nicoletti official or acting? Also was the Ruling Panel still in charge?? When they wanted Cerone to take a more active part in the Outfit, and he didn't want to be out front, if that's really the case, how do we know how Accardo handled this without stripping Aiuppa's authority. I think he just gave Aiuppa a strong Underboss with lots of experience, that helped and advised Aiuppa. Also everyone that listened to Chicago news in the middle to late seventies heard of Jackie Cerone, so much for being behind the scenes.

[Frank]

Lol actually it's funny that if true Cerone wanted to be a more behind the scenes boss, because I remember him from news from back when indicted in 69 or 70 to the indictments in the mid 80s. Don't remember hearing Aiuppa's name till maybe the late 70's and definitely in the 80's. I knew who Cerone was, through current events, not sure about Aiuppa. So who was more behind the scene??