John DiFronzo

[Snakes]

They were going to testify to the fact that he had a crew, not that he was made. Not sure where that originated because there are no court documents or news articles out there that would prove that theory.

We at least know he wasnt made in 1989 because he was complaining about that fact in front of a CI.

[Wiseguy]

What sites do you know that are offshore where you can make a bet without depositing money into an account ahead of time or using some kind of credit card?

The way a typical mob bookmaking operation works is players will go online, with a username and password they got from their bookie, and place a bet on a website that is hosted offshore (usually Costa Rica). No credit card is used and no money has been exchanged at this point. The player, what game(s) they're betting on, and how much money they're betting is simply logged. The bookie also has access to the site and can monitor the action, how much players are up or down, as well as approve a raise in the level of credit a given player can play with if needed. The bookie usually settles up with his players weekly, collecting from those that owe and paying out to winners. That's when money is exchanged - in cash. Mob gambling isn't done with credit cards or deposit accounts.

[Confederate]

They were going to testify to the fact that he had a crew, not that he was made. Not sure where that originated because there are no court documents or news articles out there that would prove that theory.

We at least know he wasnt made in 1989 because he was complaining about that fact in front of a CI.

No, the witnesses were going to testify to both things that he was a made member of the Outfit AND he had a crew. Marco then backed down. What Pete said is correct. If you have a copy of the indictment that talks about these things, go ahead and post it. I do not have a copy but remember reading it.

[Confederate]

What sites do you know that are offshore where you can make a bet without depositing money into an account ahead of time or using some kind of credit card?

The way a typical mob bookmaking operation works is players will go online, with a username and password they got from their bookie, and place a bet on a website that is hosted offshore (usually Costa Rica). No credit card is used and no money has been exchanged at this point. The player, what game(s) they're betting on, and how much money they're betting is simply logged. The bookie also has access to the site and can monitor the action, how much players are up or down, as well as approve a raise in the level of credit a given player can play with if needed. The bookie usually settles up with his players weekly, collecting from those that owe and paying out to winners. That's when money is exchanged - in cash. Mob gambling isn't done with credit cards or deposit accounts.

But legit offshore operations are done the way I described. If Marco has an offshore operation that he oversees, it may be legit. So, we may be talking about two different things.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Jeremy, every time I see your name all I can think about is Nicky in Casino calling Ace "you Jew muddafucka you" when they were fussing in the desert

I'm grabbing this quote of Dixie's from the general because it needs to shine to the world and I think its personally funny as fuck, so here I plant it.


Can I say dixie I think it almost every time too?

[SonnyBlackstein]

The Irony is there's almost no chance Jeremy is close to Jewish.

Know many Jewish weed delivery boys in Motown?

[JeremyTheJew]

The Irony is there's almost no chance Jeremy is close to Jewish.

Know many Jewish weed delivery boys in Motown?

I am half Jewish

Jewish is heritage
Judaism is religion

[SonnyBlackstein]

The Irony is there's almost no chance Jeremy is close to Jewish.

Know many Jewish weed delivery boys in Motown?

I am half Jewish

Jewish is heritage
Judaism is religion

Apologies. I sincerely meant no offence mate.

I am truly astounded that a jew would be delivering weed, in Detroit .

Here I was thinking all Jews were entertainment Lawyers. Live n learn.

[JeremyTheJew]

The Irony is there's almost no chance Jeremy is close to Jewish.

Know many Jewish weed delivery boys in Motown?

I am half Jewish

Jewish is heritage
Judaism is religion

Apologies. I sincerely meant no offence mate.

I am truly astounded that a jew would be delivering weed, in Detroit .

Here I was thinking all Jews were entertainment Lawyers. Live n learn.

none taken. and none of my people are IN Detroit. all suburbs that is metro Detroit. like 9 mile. anything north of 8.

in Detroit no white ppl are selling drugs. and if they are.... they dont last long . Detroit is most segregated city in country being 80 percent black. sooo.... u can see where I'm goin w that.

[Wiseguy]

But legit offshore operations are done the way I described. If Marco has an offshore operation that he oversees, it may be legit. So, we may be talking about two different things.

The mob serves a particular niche in sports betting and I doubt a Chicago mob guy like D'Amico would be involved in that kind of operation.

[newera_212]

two different types of books are being talked about here but they are both technically "off shore"

one: those huge monoliths like Bodova, 5dimes, WSEX, Bodog, etc... that anyone can have an account on via a 5 minute online registration, and you deposit money via wire, CC, etc... and risk the money BEFORE you bet

two: a local "blue collar" book thats simply transitioned with the times and uses an online interface (similar to how the ones above are) , but its ran by local guys who pay for the luxury of said online interface so they dont have to be on paper and phone all day, and their customers can bet easier. limits can be set, monitoring, etc... the bookies are paying for this service and its usually HOSTED offshore, while physical monies are exchanged locally with the bookie's runners. the URL they give their bettors is private. for all intents and purposes these are the types of operations we hear about in regards to LCN

I think the poster was alluding to Marco being involved in a book so big that it falls under category one?

i always wondered if any LCN / OC guys had any connection to the massive "legal" books mentioned in category one, above? PINNACLE was one of those very type of books, and the Queens DA took down it's owners in California...in addition to some NYC LCN associated locals (like Basciano Jr.)

[Wiseguy]

two different types of books are being talked about here but they are both technically "off shore"

one: those huge monoliths like Bodova, 5dimes, WSEX, Bodog, etc... that anyone can have an account on via a 5 minute online registration, and you deposit money via wire, CC, etc... and risk the money BEFORE you bet

two: a local "blue collar" book thats simply transitioned with the times and uses an online interface (similar to how the ones above are) , but its ran by local guys who pay for the luxury of said online interface so they dont have to be on paper and phone all day, and their customers can bet easier. limits can be set, monitoring, etc... the bookies are paying for this service and its usually HOSTED offshore, while physical monies are exchanged locally with the bookie's runners. the URL they give their bettors is private. for all intents and purposes these are the types of operations we hear about in regards to LCN

I think the poster was alluding to Marco being involved in a book so big that it falls under category one?

i always wondered if any LCN / OC guys had any connection to the massive "legal" books mentioned in category one, above? PINNACLE was one of those very type of books, and the Queens DA took down it's owners in California...in addition to some NYC LCN associated locals (like Basciano Jr.)

Betonsports paid protection money to Anthony Urso.

[Snakes]

They were going to testify to the fact that he had a crew, not that he was made. Not sure where that originated because there are no court documents or news articles out there that would prove that theory.

We at least know he wasnt made in 1989 because he was complaining about that fact in front of a CI.

No, the witnesses were going to testify to both things that he was a made member of the Outfit AND he had a crew. Marco then backed down. What Pete said is correct. If you have a copy of the indictment that talks about these things, go ahead and post it. I do not have a copy but remember reading it.

It was junk off of ANP. It was just something that Black Angelo posted and it's somehow been accepted as gospel over the years.

[Pete]

They were going to testify to the fact that he had a crew, not that he was made. Not sure where that originated because there are no court documents or news articles out there that would prove that theory.

We at least know he wasnt made in 1989 because he was complaining about that fact in front of a CI.

No, the witnesses were going to testify to both things that he was a made member of the Outfit AND he had a crew. Marco then backed down. What Pete said is correct. If you have a copy of the indictment that talks about these things, go ahead and post it. I do not have a copy but remember reading it.

It was junk off of ANP. It was just something that Black Angelo posted and it's somehow been accepted as gospel over the years.

Snakes can you link to where he was complaining in 89 about not being made?

[Snakes]

Yeah, I'll dig it up.