Vegas Skim

Post by **JeremyTheJew** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:41 pm

i did not want to ruin the Cleveland thread

anyone have a list of all.the casinos/fams that were involced??

i remember seeing that the Genovese fam has some stake in the casinos.

here's what ik so far :
- Stardust (Aka Tangiers in Casino)
-Frontier / Detroit fam
- Hacienda/ Pitts (thanks to FoH)

Post by **Wiseguy** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:50 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:41 pm i did not want to ruin the Cleveland thread

anyone have a list of all.the casinos/fams that were involced??

i remember seeing that the Genovese fam has some stake in the casinos.

here's what ik so far :
- Stardust (Aka Tangiers in Casino)
-Frontier / Detroit fam
- Hacienda/ Pitts (thanks to FoH)

Aladdin - Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Frank Piccolo (Gambino)

Circus Circus - Spilotro used gift shop as HQ

Desert Inn - Dalitz (Mayfield Road Gang), Cleveland, Chicago

Dunes - Chicago, Genovese, Raymond Patriarca

Flamingo - Siegel, Lansky, Costello

Thunderbird - Lansky

Frontier - Chicago

Sahara - Chicago, Kansas City, Genovese

Riviera - Chicago, Kansas City, Genovese

Sands - Doc Statcher, Genovese

Golden Nugget - Chicago

Tropicana - Genovese, Carlos Marcello, Kansas City

Caesars Palace - Chicago, Genovese, Patriarca

Royal Nevada - Chicago

Stardust - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Hacienda - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Fremont - Lansky, Genovese, Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Marina - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

I should point out that, as Capeci said, it typically wasn't a case of an entire family having an interest in a casino but rather individual members who were involved. So, even though the above list has name a of cities, it would be individual members of that family. Some of those would include -

Genovese: Frank Costello, Vincent Alo, Gerry Catena, Anthony Salerno

Chicago: Anthony Accardo, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, Joseph Aiuppa, Jackie Cerone, Angelo LaPietra

Gambino: Frank Piccolo

Detroit: Anthony Zerilli, Michael Polizzi

Cleveland: John Scalish, Angelo Lonardo

Pittsburgh: Samuel and Mannarinos

St Louis: Anthony Giordano

New England: Raymond Patriarca

New Orleans: Carlos Marcello

Kansas City: Nick Civella

Milwaukee: Frank Balistrieri

Up through part of the 1960s you had a variety of people from around the country involved in Vegas before many of them sold out. Afterward it was usually the Midwest families having interests there until the mob was finally out of the casinos by the mid-1980s.

Post by **Wiseguy** » Tue May 22, 2018 3:03 pm

Just for the hell of it, here's what I've seen for the Havana casinos. Like the Vegas casinos, fronts were used to run the casinos themselves with mafiosi having hidden interests...

Tropicana - Trafficante, Lansky, Luciano

Sans Souci - Trafficante, Pittsburgh

Riviera - Lansky, Alo, Costello

Hotel Nacional - Lansky

Sevilla Biltmore - Trafficante

Capri - Nicholas DiCostanzo and Charles Tourine (Genovese family)

National Casino - Lansky, Dalitz/Cleveland

Havana Hilton - Trafficante, Joseph Silesi (not sure if he was a Gambino or Lucchese member)

Hotel Deauville Casino - Trafficante

Post by **Villain** » Tue May 22, 2018 3:32 pm

San Souci - Chicago also

Post by **BillyBrizzi** » Tue May 22, 2018 3:49 pm

Which casinos where more profitable in the 50's? Havana or Las Vegas??

Post by **FriendofHenry** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 pm

BillyBrizzi wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:49 pm Which casinos where more profitable in the 50's? Havana or Las Vegas??

My Dad told men that Vegas was were the "kids" went and Havana was were the men went. I wonder why

Post by **BillyBrizzi** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:27 pm

FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 pm
BillyBrizzi wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:49 pm Which casinos where more profitable in the 50's? Havana or Las Vegas??
My Dad told men that Vegas was were the "kids" went and Havana was were the men went. I wonder why

I'm telling ya FoH, if I had one choice on a time machine, it would be the late 40's early 50's in Havana..

The '46 Havana conference would be ideal of course. How awesome would it be to have been a fly on the wall during certain meetings at the Nacional then..

Post by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:03 pm Havana Hilton - Trafficante, Joseph Silesi (not sure if he was a Gambino or Lucchese member)

Silesi was a Gambino member. Later a Capo of their Florida Crew.

Pogo

Post by **Wiseguy** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:26 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:32 pm San Souci - Chicago also

Thanks for the info.

BillyBrizzi wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:49 pm Which casinos where more profitable in the 50's? Havana or Las Vegas??

"The hotels here are bigger and swankier than any of the rug joints we put in Vegas."

Seriously though, from what I have read, before 1955 the only casinos in Havana were the Tropicana and the Sans Souci. There were a few years after that where the others were also in operation. The mob had multiple casinos in Vegas for decades.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm Silesi was a Gambino member. Later a Capo of their Florida Crew.

Thanks for the info.

Post by **JeremyTheJew** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:07 pm

dO we have a timeline of what was skimmed when?

I wonder why Gambino admin never got involved.

Post by **Frank** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:54 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 3:03 pm Just for the hell of it, here's what I've seen for the Havana casinos. Like the Vegas casinos, fronts were used to run the casinos themselves with mafiosi having hidden interests...

Tropicana - Trafficante, Lansky, Luciano

Sans Souci - Trafficante, Pittsburgh

Riviera - Lansky, Alo, Costello

Hotel Nacional - Lansky

Sevilla Biltmore - Trafficante

Capri - Nicholas DiCostanzo and Charles Tourine (Genovese family)

National Casino - Lansky, Dalitz/Cleveland

Havana Hilton - Trafficante, Joseph Silesi (not sure if he was a Gambino or Lucchese member)

Hotel Deauville Casino - Trafficante

I believe Russell Bufalino was in some of the Cuba action too.

Post by **Confederate** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:32 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:50 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:41 pm i did not want to ruin the Cleveland thread

anyone have a list of all.the casinos/fams that were involced??

i remember seeing that the Genovese fam has some stake in the casinos.

here's what ik so far :
- Stardust (Aka Tangiers in Casino)
-Frontier / Detroit fam
- Hacienda/ Pitts (thanks to FoH)
Aladdin - Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Frank Piccolo (Gambino)

Circus Circus - Spilotro used gift shop as HQ

Desert Inn - Dalitz (Mayfield Road Gang), Cleveland, Chicago

Dunes - Chicago, Genovese, Raymond Patriarca

Flamingo - Siegel, Lansky, Costello

Thunderbird - Lansky

Frontier - Chicago

Sahara - Chicago, Kansas City, Genovese

Riviera - Chicago, Kansas City, Genovese

Sands - Doc Statcher, Genovese

Golden Nugget - Chicago

Tropicana - Genovese, Carlos Marcello, Kansas City

Caesars Palace - Chicago, Genovese, Patriarca

Royal Nevada - Chicago

Stardust - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Hacienda - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Fremont - Lansky, Genovese, Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

Marina - Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Milwaukee

I should point out that, as Capeci said, it typically wasn't a case of an entire family having an interest in a casino but rather individual members who were involved. So, even though the above list has name a of cities, it would be individual members of that family. Some of those would include -

Genovese: Frank Costello, Vincent Alo, Gerry Catena, Anthony Salerno

Chicago: Anthony Accardo, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, Joseph Aiuppa, Jackie Cerone, Angelo LaPietra

Gambino: Frank Piccolo

Detroit: Anthony Zerilli, Michael Polizzi

Cleveland: John Scalish, Angelo Lonardo

Pittsburgh: Samuel and Mannarinos

St Louis: Anthony Giordano

New England: Raymond Patriarca

New Orleans: Carlos Marcello

Kansas City: Nick Civella

Milwaukee: Frank Balistrieri

Up through part of the 1960s you had a variety of people from around the country involved in Vegas before many of them sold out. Afterward it was usually the Midwest families having interests there until the mob was finally out of the casinos by the mid-1980s.

@Wiseguy, Good info buddy. For Chicago you might want to add Lefty Rosenthal and Joey Lombardo. Spilotro was just the muscle on the outside with his crew. Lombardo went to jail with Auippa, Cerone & LaPietra.

Post by **JeremyTheJew** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:27 pm

17 Vegas casinos....
if only 100k was skimmed from each casino thats 1mill 700k!!!

granted I don't think it was all at one time...
and those figures up top is prob a fraction what it really was

Post by **Wiseguy** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:42 pm

Capeci listed the monthly skim amounts from 1960-1965 that the FBI leaked to Life Magazine reporter Sandy Smith...

Genovese family - $50,000

Chicago - $65,000+

Cleveland's John Scalish - $52,000

Meyer Lansky and partners - $80,000

Post by **Frank** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:42 pm Capeci listed the monthly skim amounts from 1960-1965 that the FBI leaked to Life Magazine reporter Sandy Smith...

Genovese family - $50,000

Chicago - $65,000+

Cleveland's John Scalish - $52,000

Meyer Lansky and partners - $80,000

If they knew this then why didn't they prosecute??

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