Michael Franzese and the 12 Questions - Updated Page 5

[gohnjotti]

@ Wiseguy:
Do the Feds recognize Detroit? They haven’t had them listed.

Scott Burnstein recognizes Detroit.

And Kansas City, right?

What!? What are you laughing about!?

But Sonny, it's "per exclusive Gangster Report sources." How can you discredit those??
http://gangsterreport.com/state-of-the- ... fia-today/

In fact, Burnstein's article even cites that the "FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, Tuffy’s younger brother and a longtime local produce peddler, serves Sciortino in a de-facto consigliere capacity and is his No. 1 advisor." This is the same FBI that has declared the Kansas City Mafia dead for 20 years.
There are nine mob families left in the U.S. and KC hasn't been one of them for many, many years. That being said: In terms of a youth factor in the ranks of the modern-day K.C. mob, the local FBI office is said to keep tabs on Joseph (Joe Pete) Simone,

Something doesn't add up here...

[HairyKnuckles]

The only question I have is about the October 75 making ceremony. Jog his memory if it was 75,76, or 77 and if the lucchese and Genovese made members before 76 and Allie boys being made in 72

He has always claimed 1975 so he will probably stick to that even if he now knows he remembered it wrong. The books opened up in early 1976 so he can not have been made in 1975.

Saying nobody was made in New York until 76 has holes in it because Allie Boy Persico was made in 1972.

He was made with a Family outside NY (If I remember correctly, it was with the Bufalino Family) and then transferred to the Colombos. Smaller Families outside NY were allowed to make new members if they were authorized to do so by the Commission. The Colombos utilized a loophole in my opinion. There is no information on how the other Families reacted to this but I haven´t seen anything in the files I have gone through that suggests they were pissed about it.

Wasn't there an FBI report concerning this fact? Saying that all 5 families were making 2 guys because of all of this?

Not to my knowledge. If you can find that report I´ll be glad to read it. In 1976 however, the FBI started to produce reports on the NY Families taking in new members that year.

[SonnyBlackstein]

@ Wiseguy:
Do the Feds recognize Detroit? They haven’t had them listed.

Scott Burnstein recognizes Detroit.

And Kansas City, right?

What!? What are you laughing about!?

But Sonny, it's "per exclusive Gangster Report sources." How can you discredit those??
http://gangsterreport.com/state-of-the- ... fia-today/

In fact, Burnstein's article even cites that the "FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, Tuffy’s younger brother and a longtime local produce peddler, serves Sciortino in a de-facto consigliere capacity and is his No. 1 advisor." This is the same FBI that has declared the Kansas City Mafia dead for 20 years.
There are nine mob families left in the U.S. and KC hasn't been one of them for many, many years. That being said: In terms of a youth factor in the ranks of the modern-day K.C. mob, the local FBI office is said to keep tabs on Joseph (Joe Pete) Simone,

Something doesn't add up here...

You’re a big boy, I’m sure you can do the math

[SonnyBlackstein]

Be careful driving through Kansas City kiddies, dem dere category 5 twisters ..... and joe greaseball will get cha.

[gohnjotti]

@ Wiseguy:
Do the Feds recognize Detroit? They haven’t had them listed.

Scott Burnstein recognizes Detroit.

And Kansas City, right?

What!? What are you laughing about!?

But Sonny, it's "per exclusive Gangster Report sources." How can you discredit those??
http://gangsterreport.com/state-of-the- ... fia-today/

In fact, Burnstein's article even cites that the "FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, Tuffy’s younger brother and a longtime local produce peddler, serves Sciortino in a de-facto consigliere capacity and is his No. 1 advisor." This is the same FBI that has declared the Kansas City Mafia dead for 20 years.
There are nine mob families left in the U.S. and KC hasn't been one of them for many, many years. That being said: In terms of a youth factor in the ranks of the modern-day K.C. mob, the local FBI office is said to keep tabs on Joseph (Joe Pete) Simone,

Something doesn't add up here...

You’re a big boy, I’m sure you can do the math

I'm sure I can too, but I don't know if I'm ready for another 30-page argument like I had on GBB.

[Fughedaboutit]

@ Wiseguy:
Do the Feds recognize Detroit? They haven’t had them listed.

Scott Burnstein recognizes Detroit.

And Kansas City, right?

What!? What are you laughing about!?

But Sonny, it's "per exclusive Gangster Report sources." How can you discredit those??
http://gangsterreport.com/state-of-the- ... fia-today/

In fact, Burnstein's article even cites that the "FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, Tuffy’s younger brother and a longtime local produce peddler, serves Sciortino in a de-facto consigliere capacity and is his No. 1 advisor." This is the same FBI that has declared the Kansas City Mafia dead for 20 years.
There are nine mob families left in the U.S. and KC hasn't been one of them for many, many years. That being said: In terms of a youth factor in the ranks of the modern-day K.C. mob, the local FBI office is said to keep tabs on Joseph (Joe Pete) Simone,

Something doesn't add up here...

You’re a big boy, I’m sure you can do the math

I'm sure I can too, but I don't know if I'm ready for another 30-page argument like I had on GBB.

Not this shit again

[johngotti2018]

I find this site
http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/ where there are various charts

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.i ... sas%20City

For sure many of them are retired or are simply associates and I'm not saying that KC family was still viable but who know better the situation can update and correct the chart?

1. Agrusa-Salvatore
2. Barletta-Joseph b.1961-
3. Brancato-Nathan 1932-
4. Calia-John 1945-
5. Cammisano-Jerry 1953
6. Cammisano-William Jnr. 1949
7. Cavallaro-Carlo 1944
8. Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948
9. Chiavola-George 1939
10. Civella-Carmen 1939
11. Civella-Vincent 1957
12. Cuezze-John 1961
13. DeLuna-Frank 1940
14. DeLuna-Richard 1942
15. DiCapo-James 1952
16. Gambino-Anthony 1937
17. Glorioso-John 1941
18. Lascoula-Jack 1940
19. Lombardo-Michael
20. Mandacina-John 1948 (L) Located at: Pekin FCI
21. Mandacina-Joseph
22. Moretina-James 1950
23. Palmentere-Benjamin 1949
24. Picone-Eugene
25. Picone-Marc Anthony
26. Pisciotta-Vincent 1954
27. Ragusa-Joseph 1940
28. Ribaste-Louis* 1946
29. Salardino-Phillip
30. Sansone-Anthony* 1942
31. Sansone-Michael* 1960
32. Scardino-Samuel 1966
33. Sciortino-John Johnny Joe 1943
34. Sciortino-Sam 1942
35. Simone-Anthony 1950
36. Simone-Peter Las Vegas Pete 1945
37. Simone-Phillip 1972
38. Termini-John 1939

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

I do not know where Bill Feathers gets his info from.
Several of his updated charts (2017) list members
that are still possibly alive and active. There is no
death or inactive date listed for many listed. Since
I have no clue where he gets his info from, I will not
cast aspersions. According to his lists St. Louis, KC,
and Milwaukee still have some guys.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

bobbybats is from KC and used to post info
about that city.

[johngotti2018]

I do not know where Bill Feathers gets his info from.
Several of his updated charts (2017) list members
that are still possibly alive and active. There is no
death or inactive date listed for many listed. Since
I have no clue where he gets his info from, I will not
cast aspersions. According to his lists St. Louis, KC,
and Milwaukee still have some guys.

I tried to update the chart

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kansas ... &fhid=4947
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kansas ... &fhid=4947
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/kansa ... -operation
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/ap ... 332/92050/
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/j ... =guestbook
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/kansa ... restaurant

1. Barletta-Joseph b.1961-
2. Calia-John 1945 get 33 y in 1990 for drug conspiracy,get out in 2016
3. Cammisano-Jerry 1953
4. Cammisano-William Jnr. 1949 Capo
5. Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948 ex chicago cop maybe an associate
6. Chiavola-George 1939
7. Civella-Carmen 1939
8. Civella-Vincent 1957 capo
9. Cuezze-John 1961
10. DeLuna-Frank 1940
11. DeLuna-Richard 1942
12. DiCapo-James 1952 sentenced in 2011 for for Trafficking Over $400,000 in Counterfeit Goods, Illegal Gambling Operation,get out in 2014
13. Gambino-Anthony 1937
14. Glorioso-John 1941 was sentencend in 1990 for conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine, marijuana, cocaine and was out in 1997
15. Lombardo-Michael
16. Mandacina-John 1948 (L) Located at: Pekin FCI
17. Mandacina-Joseph
18. Moretina-James 1950 capo
19. Palmentere-Benjamin 1949
20. Picone-Eugene
21. Picone-Marc Anthony
22. Pisciotta-Vincent 1954 Located at: Seagoville FCI Release Date: 03/31/2030 for a rerstaurant arson in 2008
23. Ribaste-Louis* 1946
24. Salardino-Phillip
25. Sansone-Anthony* 1942
26. Sansone-Michael* 1960
27. Scardino-Samuel 1966
28. Sciortino-John Johnny Joe 1943
29. Sciortino-Sam 1942
30. Simone-Anthony 1950
31. Simone-Peter Las Vegas Pete 1945
32. Simone-Phillip 1972
33. Termini-John 1939

Died from 2000

Chiavola-Anthony Jnr. 2000
Costanza-John 2002
Bengimina-Thomas 2003
Lascoula-Jack 2003
Pernice-Samuel 2004
Moretina-Charles 2005
Civella-Anthony 2006
Gulotta-Robert 2007
Picone-Vincent 2007
DeLuna-Carl 2008
Scudiero-Henry 2008
Tousa-Frank 2009
Duardi-James Jr. 2010
Cacciopo-Thomas 2011
Palmentere-Baldasaro 2011
Mandacina-Salvatore 2012
Cavallaro-Carlo 2014
Tamburello-Peter 2015
Tarantola-Joseph 2015
Agrusa-Salvatore 2016
Brancato-Nathan 2017
Ragusa-Joseph 2017 http://gangsterreport.com/death-in-the- ... -quay-war/

[yatescj7781]

The only question I have is about the October 75 making ceremony. Jog his memory if it was 75,76, or 77 and if the lucchese and Genovese made members before 76 and Allie boys being made in 72

He has always claimed 1975 so he will probably stick to that even if he now knows he remembered it wrong. The books opened up in early 1976 so he can not have been made in 1975.

Saying nobody was made in New York until 76 has holes in it because Allie Boy Persico was made in 1972.

He was made with a Family outside NY (If I remember correctly, it was with the Bufalino Family) and then transferred to the Colombos. Smaller Families outside NY were allowed to make new members if they were authorized to do so by the Commission. The Colombos utilized a loophole in my opinion. There is no information on how the other Families reacted to this but I haven´t seen anything in the files I have gone through that suggests they were pissed about it.

Wasn't there an FBI report concerning this fact? Saying that all 5 families were making 2 guys because of all of this?

Not to my knowledge. If you can find that report I´ll be glad to read it. In 1976 however, the FBI started to produce reports on the NY Families taking in new members that year.

If this was the case, wouldn't other families have done the same. Especially the Genovese. What was the incentive for the Bufalino family to secretly made Allie Boy in their family to transfer? For the Colombos? If any family would do it for them it would have been the Patriarca because of Nick Biancos connections there.

[HairyKnuckles]

The only question I have is about the October 75 making ceremony. Jog his memory if it was 75,76, or 77 and if the lucchese and Genovese made members before 76 and Allie boys being made in 72

He has always claimed 1975 so he will probably stick to that even if he now knows he remembered it wrong. The books opened up in early 1976 so he can not have been made in 1975.

You can count on Michael as he will always say 1975. I don't think he can change his story even if it was something else because if you don't know when you're MADE then he loses credibility and then everyone would start doubting everything that he says or does. It wouldn't be profitable and the Marketability of him then goes down.

Remember in the Last Scene of the Movie "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance" the newspaperman said "When the legend becomes fact - Print the legend".

1975

Exactly.

[FriendofFamily]

So here is his response after he read the 12 Questions again.

"Hey My Friend! - Not sure what purpose is served by answering these questions? Just curiosity? I answer questions at my engagements, or at times for a student doing a paper. Certainly during interviews. But not all these questions just for curiosity in an email. Sorry!!"


Note: I did give him a response back to get him motivated to answer the questions for us.


So here is my opinion on this as he has had these Questions personally handed to him a year and half ago by myself. I was reassured several times during that encounter he would get back to me on answering those questions.

I also had sent periodic reminders about these questions through very close people to Michael. I also had a person in Chicago that knows Michael pretty well and he told me that he (Michael) wasn't comfortable answering these questions. I posted that a while back in the first thread someone else started.

Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting any of these questions to be answered. However, since the BHF as a collective group wanted these answered, I would do my best to get them answered. You never know that in the future he may answer a question or two... If it comes through me I will post it.

Will he answer these questions after his father passes or will he save it for a book. If by answering these questions he would not be in a favorable light with his Dad - Who knows what the motivation is about this. But just a guess I would say he says just enough at these Religious rallys and motivational speeches to bring them in and he is able to make an income and offering them to be RE-MADE as he terms it.

I am not judging the Man in any way - I am just offering my opinion based on observational information.

[sdeitche]

So here is his response after he read the 12 Questions again.

"Hey My Friend! - Not sure what purpose is served by answering these questions? Just curiosity? I answer questions at my engagements, or at times for a student doing a paper. Certainly during interviews. But not all these questions just for curiosity in an email. Sorry!!"


Note: I did give him a response back to get him motivated to answer the questions for us.


So here is my opinion on this as he has had these Questions personally handed to him a year and half ago by myself. I was reassured several times during that encounter he would get back to me on answering those questions.

I also had sent periodic reminders about these questions through very close people to Michael. I also had a person in Chicago that knows Michael pretty well and he told me that he (Michael) wasn't comfortable answering these questions. I posted that a while back in the first thread someone else started.

Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting any of these questions to be answered. However, since the BHF as a collective group wanted these answered, I would do my best to get them answered. You never know that in the future he may answer a question or two... If it comes through me I will post it.

Will he answer these questions after his father passes or will he save it for a book. If by answering these questions he would not be in a favorable light with his Dad - Who knows what the motivation is about this. But just a guess I would say he says just enough at these Religious rallys and motivational speeches to bring them in and he is able to make an income and offering them to be RE-MADE as he terms it.

I am not judging the Man in any way - I am just offering my opinion based on observational information.

I'm doing an event with Michael on Friday at the Mob Museum: https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/a ... ob-museum/

I can try and ask him a couple of these at least.

[FriendofFamily]

So here is his response after he read the 12 Questions again.

"Hey My Friend! - Not sure what purpose is served by answering these questions? Just curiosity? I answer questions at my engagements, or at times for a student doing a paper. Certainly during interviews. But not all these questions just for curiosity in an email. Sorry!!"


Note: I did give him a response back to get him motivated to answer the questions for us.


So here is my opinion on this as he has had these Questions personally handed to him a year and half ago by myself. I was reassured several times during that encounter he would get back to me on answering those questions.

I also had sent periodic reminders about these questions through very close people to Michael. I also had a person in Chicago that knows Michael pretty well and he told me that he (Michael) wasn't comfortable answering these questions. I posted that a while back in the first thread someone else started.

Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting any of these questions to be answered. However, since the BHF as a collective group wanted these answered, I would do my best to get them answered. You never know that in the future he may answer a question or two... If it comes through me I will post it.

Will he answer these questions after his father passes or will he save it for a book. If by answering these questions he would not be in a favorable light with his Dad - Who knows what the motivation is about this. But just a guess I would say he says just enough at these Religious rallys and motivational speeches to bring them in and he is able to make an income and offering them to be RE-MADE as he terms it.

I am not judging the Man in any way - I am just offering my opinion based on observational information.

I'm doing an event with Michael on Friday at the Mob Museum: https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/a ... ob-museum/

I can try and ask him a couple of these at least.

That would be great - there has to be something that he could answer out of those questions. Hand him the print out and watch for his facial reactions. He'll react to them and then he'll think about it and be as cool as cold gets.