New York Mafia 2018: Who’s up, Who’s down, Who’s the strongest

[Frank]

I always questioned the validity of Vernace being consigliere, wasn't he off the streets since 2010 or 2011.

Corrozzo went away in 08, that's probably when Vernace got upped to consigliere, then he was arrested in 2011, he wasn't sentenced to life until 2014 so that's probably when they named a new consigliere.

Thanks that makes more sense.I always thought that when there was a ruling panel there was usually no underboss or Consigliere and sometimes no boss. That is where I got confused with Vernace being part of the ruling panel from 2008 to 2011. I thought he became Consigliere when Cefalu was named acting boss. But yes it makes more sense that he was named Consigliere in 2008. Maybe Gambino was the acting boss then, with Marino as acting underboss.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

This article's idea of the Persico regime is pretty strange. They seemed to look at a mob chart and glance at who has the Persico surname, and assume that was it.
They are forgetting (of the top of my head):
Andy Russo, who is a first cousin to Carmine, and is the family's most recently identified street boss. His son Billy is also a capo.
Tom Farese who runs the family's Florida faction. He is married to Carmine's niece.
Donnie Montemarano was recalled as acting underboss in 2011. Him and Carmine were best friends when they were younger and when Carmine got a life sentence and moved to Lompoc, Donnie moved down to California to stay close to him.
John Franzese and his nephew Mike. Their family is very close to the Persicos and John goes back 50+ years with Carmine.
Tom Petrizzo is a Persico inlaw and is apparently back in the Persico's good graces after the civil war.
Speaking of which, the Orena kids seem to be on good terms with the Persicos nowadays? At least that's what I can gather from Facebook, there are all corresponding and interacting with each other.

A few years back, someone on the old Real Deal site made a list of the Persico 'related' Colombo members.
IIRC the list was about 50 members. It has basically been the Persico Family for many years now.

[newera_212]

If mannino is the consigliere then what about jojo ?

if jojo wasnt named consig again (isnt he out of jail? free?) i wonder if he got his crew back. he has to be up to something. i wonder who his crew went to in the first place? got split up between trucchio and mastrangelo? id like to know more about the succession of all those queens gambino crews

[Pogo The Clown]

A few years back, someone on the old Real Deal site made a list of the Persico 'related' Colombo members.
IIRC the list was about 50 members. It has basically been the Persico Family for many years now.

Here you go.


Persico Family

Carmine “The Snake/Junior” Persico/Made

-Alphonse “Little Allie Boy” Persico/Made (Son of Carmine)

--Alphonse Persico Jr/Associate (Son of Alphonse/Grandson of Carmine)

-Michael Persico/Associate (Son of Carmine)

-Lawrence Persco/Associate (Son of Carmine)

Alphonse “Allie Boy” Persico/Made (Brother of Carmine) (Dead)

Theodore “Teddy” Persico Sr/Made (Brother of Carmine) (Dead)

-Theodore “Teddy” Persico Jr/Made (Son of Teddy Sr.)

-Daniel “Danny/The General” Persico/Associate (Son of Teddy Sr.) (Dead)

-Carmine L. “Junior” Persico/Associate (Son of Teddy Sr.)

-Sean Persico/Associate (Son Teddy Sr.)

Salvatore Persico/Associate (Brother of Carmine) (Dead)

-Frank Persico Sr/Associate (Son of Salvatore) (Dead)

--Frank “Frankie Sweats” Persico Jr/Associate (Son of Frank Sr.)


Other Relatives:

Andrew “Andy Mush” Russo/Made (Cousin of Carmine Perisco)

-Joseph “JoJo” Russo/Made (Son of Andy) (Dead)

-William “Billy” Russo/Made (Son of Andy)

Anthony Russo Sr/Made (Cousin of Andy) (Dead)

-Anthony "Chucky" Russo Jr/Made (Son of Anthony Sr)

Gennaro "Gerry Lang" Langella/Made (Cousin of the Persicos) (Dead)

-Vincent Langella/Associate (Son of Gennaro)

Anthony Stropoli/Made (Nephew of Gennaro)

Gennaro Cirillo/Made (Cousin of the Persicos) (Dead)

Alphonse Cirillo/Made (Cousin of the Persicos)

Andrew D’Apice/Made (Cousin of the Persicos)

-Andre D’Apice/Made (Son of Andrew)

Victor “Little Vic” Orena/Made (Cousin of the Persicos)

-Victor Orena Jr/Made (Son of Victor Sr.)

-John Orena/Made (Son of Victor Sr.)

Thomas “Tom Mix/Mr. T” Farese/Made (In law of Carmine Persico)

Thomas Petrizzo/Made (Father in law of Michael Persico)

Angelo “Little Angelo” Spata/Associate/Soldier? (Son in law of Carmine Persico)

Edward “Tall Guy” Garofalo Jr/Associate (Cousin of the Persicos)

[Sittite]

Jesus Christ - that's a list and a half.....

[B.]

I don't believe Salvatore Persico was a brother of Carmine, probably a cousin. Scarpa said he was a brother of them in the 1980s, but other records show he wasn't. He is ID'd as simply "a relative" of Alphonse in a 1970s report. Salvatore was a former cop who later became involved in unions on the Persicos' behalf.

Also Petrizzo is Michael Persico's former in-law. He later married a daughter of Gambino soldier Dave Rava but she passed away.

[Rocco]

Don't know about this article. Mostly speculation which is no different then anyone of us on here typing up that thing.

[Fughedaboutit]

On the site it says many now think the Gambinos are the strongest family. Not sure who those people are.

You personally know otherwise?

[Wiseguy]

On the site it says many now think the Gambinos are the strongest family. Not sure who those people are.

You personally know otherwise?

No but you know as well as I do that it's pretty much the consensus across the board (feds, mob experts, mafiosi themselves) the Genovese family is the strongest family in New York and the country. So not sure why you're asking me that question to begin with.

[Pogo The Clown]

Don't feed the troll.


Pogo

[TommyGambino]

The Gambino's being big into drugs and prostitution recently probably makes it close then it's been in a while

[SonnyBlackstein]

The Gambino's being big into drugs and prostitution recently probably makes it close then it's been in a while

You'd assume the gap is the closest since Castellano.

[TommyGambino]

The Gambino's being big into drugs and prostitution recently probably makes it close then it's been in a while

You'd assume the gap is the closest since Castellano.

Agree pal.

[JeremyTheJew]

as i said earlier i also think the "zips" running them adds to the romantisim