Looking for info on Jimmie DeGeorge- Chicago

[Frank]

Yes Antiliar I read a old newspaper article from the early 70s that stated Nicoletti was a top leader of the Outfit. We had four major newpapers at that time, don't remember which one. Seen article on internet recently. Didn't really think it was accurate, but maybe he was underboss before Cerones release. Wasn't there a panel of Accardo Alex and Aiuppa around that time. Maybe he Nicoletti was on that.

[Frank]

Also some Outfit leadership charts either don't list Cerone as ever being boss,then some list him before Milwaukee Phil and then some list him after Phil. I believe the correct time period is after Phil. I see this quite alot. Your thoughts??

[Confederate]

Nicoletti had been the top guy in Melrose Park and apparently was operating like an acting underboss while Cerone was finishing his prison sentence.

Interesting things to note regarding his stature and thanks but I have to admit that I personally had different view on Nicoletti. I know that he was the top guy in MP when Aiuppa went up and I also know that he was some sort of a "leader" of the so-called hit teams within the Outfit, and on top of that read of him bI even read that he might've been the one time leader of the Grand Avenue group, allegedly somewhere around or after Gagliano's death, but I never eing acting underboss. Again, interesting thing to say and also to consider.

Regarding Cain's alleged problems, another interesting thing to note is that when in 1971, after he was released from prison, story goes that Cain was placed under Marcy and Alex, but in 1972 he decided to visit his old "pal" Giancana down to Mexico, which as you said, they previously had some sort of beef, with a proposition of selling drugs with the help of a new distributor known as Guido Fidanzi, who also planned to get involved in the narcotics business, allegedly on the request of Cain, obviously with the help of the car theft out-of-state transportation business. Fidanzi and Cain knew each other since their stay in prison and were paroled at the same time. But looks like in the end he received the middle finger and possibly got betrayed. Fidanzi was killed that same year and Cain the next one

You said "after Gagliano's death" as if Gagliano was the former leader of Grand Avenue Crew. You know much more about the Outfit History than me, but I do know that Gagliano was with Elmwood Park, NOT Grand Ave. Gagliano probably took over Elmwood Park when Cerone became part of the Administration. Every book I ever read talked about Gagliano being the right hand man of Cerone which is all Elmwood Park. However, It was stated that both Gagliano and Cerone were BORN and RAISED in the Grand Avenue neighborhood along with Accardo. Maybe that is where there is some confusion??

[Snakes]

Grand Avenue and Elmwood Park may have been combined for a time in the early seventies. Once Cerone was released from prison and Lombardo became a boss they were definitely separate crews again.

Nicoletti was high up in the mid-seventies and was the top guy in Melrose Park after Aiuppa. He also supervised a lot of hits. I've also seen him as part of a ruling panel but who knows for sure.

The guys that were definitely direct with the bosses were Butch Blasi and Pat Marcy. Guys like Carlisi, Ortenzi, and others reported straight to Aiuppa, even after he was boss.

[Snakes]

Cerone was probably boss in the late sixties after Battaglia, at least until he was indicted. He went to prison in 1970. Aldersio was allegedly boss after that but he was in prison at the time, I think. He may have been out on bond during appeal but he was deinitely in prison by the end of 1970.

[Confederate]

Grand Avenue and Elmwood Park may have been combined for a time in the early seventies. Once Cerone was released from prison and Lombardo became a boss they were definitely separate crews again.

Nicoletti was high up in the mid-seventies and was the top guy in Melrose Park after Aiuppa. He also supervised a lot of hits. I've also seen him as part of a ruling panel but who knows for sure.

The guys that were definitely direct with the bosses were Butch Blasi and Pat Marcy. Guys like Carlisi, Ortenzi, and others reported straight to Aiuppa, even after he was boss.

Would you agree that A LOT of Chicago Made guys were DIRECT with the Giancana Administration? That is the impression I got from Joe Fosco's blog and also from reading about Giancana who seemed to keep a lot of those Taylor St. guys close to him and it seemed like they reported direct to him? Maybe it changed when Auippa & Cerone took over? Chicago is the most confusing Mafia group I ever read about hands down.

[Confederate]

Cerone was probably boss in the late sixties after Battaglia, at least until he was indicted. He went to prison in 1970. Aldersio was allegedly boss after that but he was in prison at the time, I think. He may have been out on bond during appeal but he was deinitely in prison by the end of 1970.

Wasn't Alderisio the Boss of Grand Avenue? Then, Lombardo would have become the Boss of Grand Avenue upon Alderisio's death which would have still been in the 1960's. Correct??

[Antiliar]

Some of the crew names are confusing because it was based on where the capo of the crew was based. The Battaglia crew primarily operated in Chicago proper and Melrose Park; Aiuppa operated in Cicero, Melrose Park and Berwyn; Buccieri in Chicago and Cicero; Cerone in Elmwood Park and Melrose Park. That's not even exhaustive. Battaglia crew also operated in the North Side/Rush Street area, although it was primarily Ross Prio's territory. In the case of Nicoletti, he inherited the Battaglia crew from Alderisio -- although it's possible that there was another capo between Alderisio and Nicoletti. Joey Lombardo succeeded Nicoletti, and it became known as Grand Avenue.

As for the bosses, Battaglia succeeded Giancana, then it gets confusing. Cerone was noted to have been selected as boss in November 1967 and was arrested in February 1969. Alderisio was arrested in July 1969, then sent to prison in September. In May 1970, during Cerone's trial, Louis Bombacino identified him as the boss. In June, Cerone was sent to prison. So it looks like Cerone succeeded Battaglia, then briefly Alderisio and back to Cerone, then Aiuppa, but that doesn't look right. I don't think it's likely that the top spot (under Ricca and Accardo) went back and forth from Cerone to Alderisio to Cerone again. Maybe Alderisio was just the acting boss, or maybe he was never boss at all.

[Frank]

The boss was Phillip Lombardo lol sorry just kidding.

[Snakes]

Alderisio had a group of guys that did work for him in the mid to late sixties. A lot of these same guys made up the core of what would become the GAC. At one time, I believe that Alderisio was under Battaglia but once Battaglia was imprisoned, Aiuppa expanded his base of power to include Melrose Park. When Battaglia died, Lombardo was promoted and took the crew of guys who had worked under Alderisio and formed the Grand Avenue Crew.

As far as guys being direct with Giancana, you have to be careful with Fosco's site; not necessarily Fosco himself but with the morons that posted on his site. Antilliar used to post there and was one of the few guys actively seeking info and not spewing bullshit.

With that said, Giancana definitely did have a few guys who reported directly to him but they were more like his own personal "staff" for lack of a better term. Blasi, Richard Cain, Johnny Matassa, Sr. just to name a few.

The sixties is more in Villain and Antilliar's respective wheelhouses so perhaps they can add to what I said above.

[Confederate]

Alderisio had a group of guys that did work for him in the mid to late sixties. A lot of these same guys made up the core of what would become the GAC. At one time, I believe that Alderisio was under Battaglia but once Battaglia was imprisoned, Aiuppa expanded his base of power to include Melrose Park. When Battaglia died, Lombardo was promoted and took the crew of guys who had worked under Alderisio and formed the Grand Avenue Crew.

As far as guys being direct with Giancana, you have to be careful with Fosco's site; not necessarily Fosco himself but with the morons that posted on his site. Antilliar used to post there and was one of the few guys actively seeking info and not spewing bullshit.

With that said, Giancana definitely did have a few guys who reported directly to him but they were more like his own personal "staff" for lack of a better term. Blasi, Richard Cain, Johnny Matassa, Sr. just to name a few.

The sixties is more in Villain and Antilliar's respective wheelhouses so perhaps they can add to what I said above.

Thanks Snakes. Even though we are COMPLETE opposites Politically, I do respect your work as a researcher. Just thought I would at least tell you that man to man.

[Antiliar]

There's a few things I have been able to confirm. First, Aiuppa was living in Melrose Park (AKA Proviso Township) as far back as 1910, so he was connected to it for almost all of his life. Second, I was also able to confirm that Nicoletti did succeed Alderisio in running the crew. Nick Palermo appears to have been Nicoletti's top lieutenant. Aiuppa evidently chose to skip over Palermo and chose Lombardo to succeed Nicoletti. Third, I know that Bill Roemer said that Alderisio was a boss, but the timeline doesn't work and I couldn't find any good sources to confirm it, so consider it another piece of fake news or an urban myth that was busted.

[Snakes]

I never thought the years added up, either. I've seen info from an informant, whom I believe was Blasi, that stated Alderisio was boss. You've probably seen the same thing; what's your take?

I knew Aiuppa had long been connected in MP, but once Battaglia and his top guys were imprisoned, I imagine that he simply relocated there to fill the void and left Cicero to Buccieri and then Torello.

[Confederate]

There's a few things I have been able to confirm. First, Aiuppa was living in Melrose Park (AKA Proviso Township) as far back as 1910, so he was connected to it for almost all of his life. Second, I was also able to confirm that Nicoletti did succeed Alderisio in running the crew. Nick Palermo appears to have been Nicoletti's top lieutenant. Aiuppa evidently chose to skip over Palermo and chose Lombardo to succeed Nicoletti. Third, I know that Bill Roemer said that Alderisio was a boss, but the timeline doesn't work and I couldn't find any good sources to confirm it, so consider it another piece of fake news or an urban myth that was busted.

So, Lombardo was a made guy under Nicoletti until 1977 when Nicoletti got killed?
So, In that famous Last Supper Picture in 1976, Nicoletti was not in the Picture BUT Lombardo was so I'm not sure if that timeline works. In other words, by 1976, Lombardo appears to have ALREADY been a Boss. You see what I mean?

[Snakes]

Lombardo was made a boss by at least 1974. I don't believe Antilliar meant that he took over upon Nicoletti's murder. Nicoletti either voluntarily gave up being a boss or was removed, opening a spot up for Lombardo, although at least one informant said he was promoted in Battaglia's death. Perhaps Nicoletti was only in an acting capacity and once Lombardo was approved to become a boss, Nicoletti stepped down/was removed. I've also seen that he didn't have much interest in anything as hands on as being a boss and was hinting at stepping back.