Looking for info on Jimmie DeGeorge- Chicago

[Villain]

I believe the so-called outlaws in Chicago at the time were Nicoletti, Catuara, Canzioneri, Tortoriello and dozens more who most ended up getting killed

[Villain]

Also cavita is right regarding the presence of some Sicilian group on Chicagos turf. It seems that this new Sicilian faction had the approval from the Outfit’s top administration to deal their narcotics on Chicago’s territory, as long as they stayed away from their sight and it didn’t involve any of their members or associates. But still according to some reports, like any other greedy criminal machine, the Outfit always had its own “outlaws”. 

[Frank]

Niccoletti was wacked over selling heroin??

[Villain]

Niccoletti was wacked over selling heroin??

Well we obviously will never know the true reason behind Nicolettis murder but according to one informant when Aiuppa officialy took the top spot he was allegedly open minded regarding the dope biz but Accardo and Alex werent at all. So allegedly Nicoletti and DiBella pushed forward but in the end, Aiuppa got his mind made up by being against it. Aiuppas decision was possibly set in motion during the mid 1970s and by 1976 Nicoletti was out of the organization or shelved and killed the next year. As for DiBella he allegedly also changed his mind and died of natural causes but his guy Canzoneri continued with his activities until a decade later when he was also killed. After Nicolettis demise Catuara was also killed, including Annerino and Richie Ferraro and the list goes on...

[Confederate]

Niccoletti was wacked over selling heroin??

Well we obviously will never know the true reason behind Nicolettis murder but according to one informant when Aiuppa officialy took the top spot he was allegedly open minded regarding the dope biz but Accardo and Alex werent at all. So allegedly Nicoletti and DiBella pushed forward but in the end, Aiuppa got his mind made up by being against it. Aiuppas decision was possibly set in motion during the mid 1970s and by 1976 Nicoletti was out of the organization or shelved and killed the next year. As for DiBella he allegedly also changed his mind and died of natural causes but his guy Canzoneri continued with his activities until a decade later when he was also killed. After Nicolettis demise Catuara was also killed, including Annerino and Richie Ferraro and the list goes on...

I was under the impression (from what I read) that Nicoletti and DeStefano were killed as part of house cleaning since they were big Giancana supporters?

[Villain]

Niccoletti was wacked over selling heroin??

Well we obviously will never know the true reason behind Nicolettis murder but according to one informant when Aiuppa officialy took the top spot he was allegedly open minded regarding the dope biz but Accardo and Alex werent at all. So allegedly Nicoletti and DiBella pushed forward but in the end, Aiuppa got his mind made up by being against it. Aiuppas decision was possibly set in motion during the mid 1970s and by 1976 Nicoletti was out of the organization or shelved and killed the next year. As for DiBella he allegedly also changed his mind and died of natural causes but his guy Canzoneri continued with his activities until a decade later when he was also killed. After Nicolettis demise Catuara was also killed, including Annerino and Richie Ferraro and the list goes on...

I was under the impression (from what I read) that Nicoletti and DeStefano were killed as part of house cleaning since they were big Giancana supporters?

There are many different opinions on who was killed and regarding what, like for example Richard Cain was allegedly killed because he informed on a local Outfit-connected burglary crew, Mad Sam because he really went out of his mind and began bringing low profits and a lot of attention, and Nicolettis murder theories reach the same level of Giancanas. So my point is that Im not saying or stating that I know the real reasons behind the murders of these victims but instead Im only stating from what Ive read from the federal investigations regarding their latest activities or problems which occurred "shortly" before their deaths.

[Snakes]

The exact reasoning behind Nicoletti's murder is still a mystery but one of two things was probably true: (1) he was viewed as a rival by Aiuppa and Cerone and eliminated or (2) he fell into disfavor for whatever reason and was killed as a result.

[Confederate]

The exact reasoning behind Nicoletti's murder is still a mystery but one of two things was probably true: (1) he was viewed as a rival by Aiuppa and Cerone and eliminated or (2) he fell into disfavor for whatever reason and was killed as a result.

Thanks, that makes total sense. Would Chuckie English also be the same reasons? Seems like those 3 were big Giancana supporters besides the fact they may have done something else wrong or maybe Auippa & Cerone were looking for ANY reason to kill them. DeStefano and Nicoletti seemed to be a lot more dangerous than English. Maybe that's why they were killed a lot earlier than the other guy.

[Villain]

The exact reasoning behind Nicoletti's murder is still a mystery but one of two things was probably true: (1) he was viewed as a rival by Aiuppa and Cerone and eliminated or (2) he fell into disfavor for whatever reason and was killed as a result.

You're absolutely right regarding the first point but my pick goes to Alex. I see no reason for Aiuppa to be furious or to be scared of Nicoletti since the two of them worked together for quite some time and attended meetings until 1974. The main problem was that Nicoletti wasn’t very satisfied with Alex and his operations in the Loop and he suggested that Alex should take more active part in the North/West side which was one of the most profitable areas for the Outfit at the time. Nicoletti also constantly used every of Alexs absence as an excuse that he wasnt around much when needed. After the Giancana murder, Alex came back from Florida, and Accardo explained to him that some of the oldtimers like Nicoletti were spreading influence over the younger generations about getting involved in narcotics. That’s when Alex and Nicoletti entered in a feud over the narcotics racket. Months before his demise, the feds couldnt pick up a single info of Nicoletti doing something wrong and in fact he was visited regarding the Giancana and Roselli killings and obviously he said that he knew them but allegedly did not know a thing regarding the situation and in the end when asked regarding his activitis, he stated that there was no more money in crime like in the old days and on top of that he was dying from cancer. Most of this is documented on the MF site

[Snakes]

If they wanted to kill English because of his loyalty to Giancana, they would have done it a lot earlier than 1985. Probably the only guy killed because of that reason was Richard Cain, who was an Outfit pariah of sorts that knew too much and was of little value.

[Antiliar]

I think Cain, Nicoletti and English were killed for their own reasons that had nothing to do with Giancana. Cain reportedly had some narcissistic plan to take over the Outfit and he and Giancana had a falling out years earlier. Nicoletti had been the top guy in Melrose Park and apparently was operating like an acting underboss while Cerone was finishing his prison sentence. Not sure what crew English was with at the time of his death, but I lean toward Grand Avenue. If so, he probably managed to offend Joey Lombardo in some way.

[Confederate]

I think Cain, Nicoletti and English were killed for their own reasons that had nothing to do with Giancana. Cain reportedly had some narcissistic plan to take over the Outfit and he and Giancana had a falling out years earlier. Nicoletti had been the top guy in Melrose Park and apparently was operating like an acting underboss while Cerone was finishing his prison sentence. Not sure what crew English was with at the time of his death, but I lean toward Grand Avenue. If so, he probably managed to offend Joey Lombardo in some way.

Joe Fosco had said on one of his blogs years ago that English was direct with Auippa & Cerone and they had inherited him from Giancana. He made it sound like several Chicago made guys were DIRECT with the Top Bosses and that the rest were in Crews. Do you think that is accurate? Seems logical but who knows? Chicago is very difficult to figure out. lol

[Frank]

I seen somewhere that in the mid 1980's two men went to Accardo at separate times lobbying to be boss English and Spilotro. Both ended up dead.

[Antiliar]

Confederate,

It's hard to say what the truth is. Some people who were allegedly direct with the administration were probably part of crews, but personally close to Giancana. Some could have been part of the administration but placed in crews later on. I couldn't have said it better when you wrote, "Chicago is very difficult to figure out."

[Villain]

Nicoletti had been the top guy in Melrose Park and apparently was operating like an acting underboss while Cerone was finishing his prison sentence.

Interesting things to note regarding his stature and thanks but I have to admit that I personally had different view on Nicoletti. I know that he was the top guy in MP when Aiuppa went up and I also know that he was some sort of a "leader" of the so-called hit teams within the Outfit, and on top of that I even read that he might've been the one time leader of the Grand Avenue group, allegedly somewhere around or after Gagliano's death, but I never read of him being acting underboss. Again, interesting thing to say and also to consider.

Regarding Cain's alleged problems, another interesting thing to note is that when in 1971, after he was released from prison, story goes that Cain was placed under Marcy and Alex, but in 1972 he decided to visit his old "pal" Giancana down to Mexico, which as you said, they previously had some sort of beef, with a proposition of selling drugs with the help of a new distributor known as Guido Fidanzi, who also planned to get involved in the narcotics business, allegedly on the request of Cain, obviously with the help of the car theft out-of-state transportation business. Fidanzi and Cain knew each other since their stay in prison and were paroled at the same time. But looks like in the end he received the middle finger and possibly got betrayed. Fidanzi was killed that same year and Cain the next one