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[Wiseguy]

@Wiseguy.


were way off from what?


Regards

I'm referring to these posts you made...

I think Cali is more Powerful than Bellomo, he has many contacts to italy and sicily, many Drug contacts the big business in the mafia and OC world.

I think also the Gambino Mafia Family (not gotti and his guys... guys like thommy gambino and other old shool gambinos in the business) is more powerful than the Genovese. More Drugs, more legitime. The Genovese maybe in america big but thats all. Maybe not even in america

The Genovese grossly overestimated.

And Low key also no argument for me, bellomo lives in a mansion thats not low key.

Someone of you have see the house of bellomo?

Here one articel about Frank Cali. A rich and Powerful Man, i think he is a lot bigger than Bellomo. And also bigger than every other guy from the genovese crime family.

But this is only one guy.. the gambinos have the richest and most legitim members from all new york familys.

The genovese guys all in to old age make his hands dirty thats one reason why a lot of people think he are the strongest..

many gambinos are legitim and not in the news papers, john gambino and many others.

Thats the real big guys in the new york mafia world. With contacts around the world, the genovese thing is only a new york new jersey and east coast thing and in this area also the gambinos stronger i think.

What you think Guys?

I'm not sure how you came to this opinion but much of what you posted directly conflicts with the available info.

First, I think you overestimate the level and importance of the Gambino's international contacts as it relates to the drug trade. On one hand, while the NY families are the last major players in narcotics (the Gambinos probably having the most involvement), even they have been marginalized to a certain degree. The Gambino's drug operations, in and of themselves, aren't enough to make them the top family. Don't read too much into their having closers ties to Sicily. The Bonannos have also had stronger ties to Sicily but that's never made them the top family.

Second, I don't know where you get the idea the Genovese are "grossly overestimated." You can look at statements from law enforcement officials, organized crime experts, and former mafiosi for years now. All are in agreement the Genovese family is the most wealthy and powerful. Generally speaking, Genovese members have long been considered to be the most affluent. And the family, both past and present, has the most influence in legitimate businesses and labor unions. As an aside, we've seen several examples of their own involvement in the drug trade in recent years.

The Gambinos remain what they've always been - a strong #2. But relative to where they were, they took a lot of blows during the 1990s. They were not as successful as the Genovese at holding onto their labor rackets. The Gambinos have a bigger stake in drugs and things related to the sex trade but that's about it. Everything else if can think of, the Genovese are bigger. Bookmaking and loansharking, labor unions and legitimate businesses, etc. The two families rivaled each other in their financial scams during the 1990s and into the 2000s but the mob as a whole has been less involved in those things in more recent years.

I should also add that, traditionally, law enforcement considered the Genovese family to be more expansive outside the NY area. Today, both families are pretty regional. And their activity in areas outside of NY, on the whole, are fairly comparable.

[electricslim]

I've never heard anyone dispute that Sam Gianacana owned a casino in Iran

The story is true and i belive that John Drew was the manager

It was located in a place called Kish Island.

[MarcoW]

@Wiseguy

You have forgot some things from my post....

I see that differently than you.

here one link to Frank Cali and a quote from the John Gambino wikipedia site.


The Old shool mans from the Gambino Family like thomas Gambino John Gambino and many other have many power and a lot of money i think more than every member of the Genovese crime Family in this Time. Also Frank Cali is very Rich and powerful look in the Link.

John Gambino has in the history contact to Michele Sindone thats says all about the worldwide contacts in the history of this family.+

The Genovese are a American Family thats all.


Regards



https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201307 ... s-down-job




John Gambino had close relationship with the Italian banker Michele Sindona. They dined often and openly at the luxurious Hotel Pierre on Fifth Avenue or the Gambino’s Café Valentino. Gambino was a frequent guest at New York dinner parties in Sindona’s honour. When Sindona got in trouble and was indicted for the bankruptcy of the Franklin National Bank, John Gambino procured a false passport and helped to stage a bogus kidnap in August 1979, to conceal a mysterious 11-week trip to Sicily before his scheduled fraud trial.[4]

However, Sindona also had put the Mafia’s heroin money at risk, due to his financial malpractice. The real purpose of the kidnapping was to issue sparsely disguised blackmail notes to Sindona’s past political allies – among them Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti – to engineer the rescue of his banks and recuperate Cosa Nostra’s money. Gambino accompanied Sindona’s attempt to recover the money, but the plans failed and Sindona was arrested, leading to the indictment of the Inzerillo-Spatola-Gambino network. It remains unclear if any of the Mafia money Sindona had lost was recovered.

[Wiseguy]

@Wiseguy

You have forgot some things from my post....

I see that differently than you.

here one link to Frank Cali and a quote from the John Gambino wikipedia site.


The Old shool mans from the Gambino Family like thomas Gambino John Gambino and many other have many power and a lot of money i think more than every member of the Genovese crime Family in this Time. Also Frank Cali is very Rich and powerful look in the Link.

John Gambino has in the history contact to Michele Sindone thats says all about the worldwide contacts in the history of this family.+

The Genovese are a American Family thats all.


Regards



https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201307 ... s-down-job




John Gambino had close relationship with the Italian banker Michele Sindona. They dined often and openly at the luxurious Hotel Pierre on Fifth Avenue or the Gambino’s Café Valentino. Gambino was a frequent guest at New York dinner parties in Sindona’s honour. When Sindona got in trouble and was indicted for the bankruptcy of the Franklin National Bank, John Gambino procured a false passport and helped to stage a bogus kidnap in August 1979, to conceal a mysterious 11-week trip to Sicily before his scheduled fraud trial.[4]

However, Sindona also had put the Mafia’s heroin money at risk, due to his financial malpractice. The real purpose of the kidnapping was to issue sparsely disguised blackmail notes to Sindona’s past political allies – among them Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti – to engineer the rescue of his banks and recuperate Cosa Nostra’s money. Gambino accompanied Sindona’s attempt to recover the money, but the plans failed and Sindona was arrested, leading to the indictment of the Inzerillo-Spatola-Gambino network. It remains unclear if any of the Mafia money Sindona had lost was recovered.

It's a matter of you seeing things differently than law enforcement, OC experts, etc. Nobody is denying there are Gambino members who are wealthy, though who John Gambino was having dinner with decades ago is really beside the point.

If you look around the net long enough, though you would do well to stay away from Wikipedia and certain blogs, you'll obviously find some examples here and there of the Gambinos international connections. But you're way too taken by them. The Gambinos are also an American family. It doesn't matter that they have ties to Sicily. Look at their cases for the last 15 or 20 years. The vast majority of their presence is in New York, with some additional activity in New Jersey, Connecticut, and Florida.

This image you have of the Gambinos is being a big time international powerhouse and the Genovese being an overrated local operation just isn't reality. And it's hard to take your comparisons seriously when you apparently haven't studied the Genovese family at all. And while I have no idea who's richer (Cali and Bellomo are both millionaires), you won't find any single LCN figure in New York or the rest of the US that has more clout than the boss of the Genovese family.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And if you ask pogo, even the Bonnano's are more powerful than the Gambino's.

[tmarotta]

I agree with you Wiseguy in terms of the Genovese Family being more powerful than the Gambino Family. Marco pm'd me a while ago asking me which family was more powerful. I parroted the information you just provided but you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

My only disagreement would be that I believe the Bonannos are still the most involved of all the families in drugs. Most recently Mickey Paradiso was busted dealing weed with Bonanno associates. You have the recent Nicolas Santora case. Also there was the 2014 arrests related to operation "New Bridge" involving the Gambinos, Bonannos, and the N'Drangheta. You also had Vinny Basciano's sons busted for selling weed as well. It seems the Bonannos seem to be heavily involved in supplying wholesale amounts of weed. This is obviously speculation on my part.

[Pogo The Clown]

In the 90s I would say the Lucchese family was the most heavily involved with drugs. Don't know about now.


Pogo

[Cheech]

Genovese are far far and above. Too many numerous reasons why. They are so entrenched in garbage and unions you will never get them out.
International drugs lol. Fantasy. Sounds good in a forum. Far from truth.

[MarcoW]

Richard Martino also a very rich member of the Gmabinos i see no Genovese in this time have Money like Members of the Gambinos.

Thommy Gambino, John Gambino, ichart Martino, Frank Cali this are the richest alive mobster in the USA.

Also the Rizzutos are richer than any member of the genovese family.

Thats the true, no Genovese member have money like this no one.


Here the wikipedia from Thommy Gambino a qoute:


By the 1990s, Thomas Gambino owned three homes; one in Florida, another in Lido Beach, New York, and a third on Manhattan's exclusive Upper East Side.[5] Thomas Gambino also headed the Gambino Medical and Science Foundation, which in 1991 financed a $2 million pediatric bone marrow transplant unit at Long Island Jewish Medical Center. Estimates of Thomas Gambino's personal wealth go up to $75 million.



Here a link to Richard Martino


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/new ... e-1.658108



Here a qoute from John Gambino wikipedia

Giovanni Falcone, the investigating magistrate who was assigned the investigation into heroin trafficking case in 1980, estimated that by the late 1970s the Inzerillo-Gambino-Spatola network was smuggling US$600 million worth of heroin into the US each year.



The Gambinos was also in the past the biggest and richest in the drug business....





I can with no problem 10 and also more very rich members oft the Gambino list here....


Thats the reality. Whats Mob experts.... call is for me nothing i must belive.


Come on Guys you know 5 Alive People from the Genovese that also makes this art of Money? No sure not.





Regards

[MarcoW]

@Cheech

Good in a Forum Drugs, you know that with drugs makes the oc worldwide the most money....

Thats the reason why the Ndrangheta the biggest Mafias of all italian and italo american is....


Here are a lot experst....

[SonnyBlackstein]

Trying to assess a mobsters 'net worth' or 'income' is an utter waste of time.

[MarcoW]

This is a good articel about Martino


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html

[MarcoW]

here a qoute from the articel

Richard Martino, a slender 47-year-old, favors Prada shoes and until recently drove a sleek black Mercedes-Benz. He has owned multimillion-dollar homes in Harrison and Southampton, N.Y. He spent much of the last decade running a telecommunications and Internet business to which his expertise helped bring in hundreds of millions of dollars. By one accounting, he made tens of millions for himself.

This guys far far the richest of all in new york city, in italy everebody knows this.... also in the rest form europe also the usa see the genovse in the first front

[Wiseguy]

Richard Martino also a very rich member of the Gmabinos i see no Genovese in this time have Money like Members of the Gambinos.

Thommy Gambino, John Gambino, ichart Martino, Frank Cali this are the richest alive mobster in the USA.

Also the Rizzutos are richer than any member of the genovese family.

Thats the true, no Genovese member have money like this no one.


Here the wikipedia from Thommy Gambino a qoute:


By the 1990s, Thomas Gambino owned three homes; one in Florida, another in Lido Beach, New York, and a third on Manhattan's exclusive Upper East Side.[5] Thomas Gambino also headed the Gambino Medical and Science Foundation, which in 1991 financed a $2 million pediatric bone marrow transplant unit at Long Island Jewish Medical Center. Estimates of Thomas Gambino's personal wealth go up to $75 million.



Here a link to Richard Martino


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/new ... e-1.658108



Here a qoute from John Gambino wikipedia

Giovanni Falcone, the investigating magistrate who was assigned the investigation into heroin trafficking case in 1980, estimated that by the late 1970s the Inzerillo-Gambino-Spatola network was smuggling US$600 million worth of heroin into the US each year.



The Gambinos was also in the past the biggest and richest in the drug business....





I can with no problem 10 and also more very rich members oft the Gambino list here....


Thats the reality. Whats Mob experts.... call is for me nothing i must belive.


Come on Guys you know 5 Alive People from the Genovese that also makes this art of Money? No sure not.





Regards

Thomas Gambino's wealth is pretty well established because much of came from ostensibly legitimate businesses. But, aside from them all obviously being well off, we really don't know how much money guys like Gambino, Cali, or Martino have. And even if all those figures you insist on quoting from Wikipedia were true, all you've done is show these specific Gambino members are rich. It doesn't necessarily have any baring on the relative wealth between the Gambino and Genovese families. You do realize these guys try to hide their wealth as much as possible right? So just because you can't identify any Genovese members with millions attributed to them on Wikipedia or some blog, it doesn't mean there aren't any.

It's almost like you see the Gambinos as a sports team you're rooting for and you want them to be the richest and most powerful. Why else would you ignore the law enforcement officials who have investigated the mob, or journalists and mob experts who have studied and written about the mob, who across the board say the Genovese family is the top mob organization in the country in terms of both wealth and power? I suppose I could post quotes that show this over the past 25 years but you'd just ignore them because it's not what you want to believe.

And once again, while drugs are the most lucrative criminal racket, gambling is actually a bigger money maker for the mob than drugs. How? Because the mob (including the Gambinos) is more involved in gambling than it is in narcotics. As I said before, while the mob has been pretty successful in maintaining the lion's share of illegal bookmaking wherever there is still an active family, it's been marginalized in the drug trade for the last 30 years. And the Genovese have the largest bookmaking operations in the New York/New Jersey area.

[OlBlueEyesClub]

It's useless trying to explain any of this to this Marco guy. He gets told what he does on here, then goes to another forum with the same exact questions and false implications, like the Gambinos were the stronger family than the Genovese.