SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:17 pm
Anything to say about cicales last two vids Scott?
Roasted over the coals pretty bad.
He's got family, buttons, associates and cops in the bronx, apparently, who don't think too highly of your writing. You'd think he would have family and associates since he's from the bronx, you'd also think he'd know a cop or two having cooperated.
You?
Anything to swing the debate your way?
Not being facetious, genuinely asking.
Genuinely asking myself. Why is Cicale credible on this topic and not Nick Cirillo? He was a central part of the Nick Cirillo situation. We've seen pictures of Bosses with Associates nevermind Sodliers in prison, we know all of these guys stick together in jail and network. Not long ago i was reading a thread where you found the idea that Cicale while a made man who was not an informant yet, was talking to Quiet Dom in jail as ridiculous. A situation that Cicale had ample reason to question since he could have been killed over it. Why is he to be believed on Mafia matters after he becomes an informant but not while he's an active member of the Mafia about a situation we know for a fact he was one of the main two participants in?
To be clear i think this social club stuff is nonsense this is not about Scott i've just found it very surprising how Cicale has suddenly become more credible after becoming an informant.
scott22 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:17 pm
Why would he know anything ?
Seriously? Want to play this game? Ok.
Because he was was born in the bronx. Because he was raised and lived his whole life in the bronx. Because he has family and friends still in the bronx. Because he knows associates in the bronx. Because he has made sources in the bronx (just like you eh). Because he was acting Capo of the bronx crew. Because he has police connections in two precincts.
VS.... what are your credentials?
Seriously. This is what annoys me. Make a case why I should believe YOU over the above. Im objective here. Thats the case above, whats yours?
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:46 pm
Genuinely asking myself. Why is Cicale credible on this topic and not Nick Cirillo? He was a central part of the Nick Cirillo situation. We've seen pictures of Bosses with Associates nevermind Sodliers in prison, we know all of these guys stick together in jail and network. Not long ago i was reading a thread where you found the idea that Cicale while a made man who was not an informant yet, was talking to Quiet Dom in jail as ridiculous. A situation that Cicale had ample reason to question since he could have been killed over it. Why is he to be believed on Mafia matters after he becomes an informant but not while he's an active member of the Mafia about a situation we know for a fact he was one of the main two participants in?
To be clear i think this social club stuff is nonsense this is not about Scott i've just found it very surprising how Cicale has suddenly become more credible after becoming an informant.
Dude youre better than this.
This is an easy one. Logic, likelihood and reason mate. Hitler was right about the sky being blue but not the Jews. We dont call the sky red.
Cicale was ... read the above post... vs Scott ZERO the above post. Hence... go with Dom.
Cicale is a murderer who had motive to clip Cirillo and did it on the sneak vs his father ordered his son to be clipped. Going with Cicale on the sneak vs father as its more likely a murderer...murdered, than a son orders his fathers death.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:46 pm
Genuinely asking myself. Why is Cicale credible on this topic and not Nick Cirillo? He was a central part of the Nick Cirillo situation. We've seen pictures of Bosses with Associates nevermind Sodliers in prison, we know all of these guys stick together in jail and network. Not long ago i was reading a thread where you found the idea that Cicale while a made man who was not an informant yet, was talking to Quiet Dom in jail as ridiculous. A situation that Cicale had ample reason to question since he could have been killed over it. Why is he to be believed on Mafia matters after he becomes an informant but not while he's an active member of the Mafia about a situation we know for a fact he was one of the main two participants in?
To be clear i think this social club stuff is nonsense this is not about Scott i've just found it very surprising how Cicale has suddenly become more credible after becoming an informant.
Dude youre better than this.
This is an easy one. Logic, likelihood and reason mate. Hitler was right about the sky being blue but not the Jews. We dont call the sky red.
Cicale was ... read the above post... vs Scott ZERO the above post. Hence... go with Dom.
Cicale is a murderer who had motive to clip Cirillo and did it on the sneak vs his father ordered his son to be clipped. Going with Cicale on the sneak vs father as its more likely a murderer...murdered, than a son orders his fathers death.
Not tricky stuff mate.
Your Hitler example could also apply to Scott.
I don't care who has been more right and this is not about Scott for me. This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask? I'm mainly looking for a clear explanation on how he has became more credible after becoming an informant. That's insane logic to me personally.
We've actually discussed this before i believe. Dom didn't say he clipped his son all he said was he knew it wasn't the Bonanno's. Maybe he knew it was some drug dealer not affiliated with the Mafia and just let it go.
Cicale is a rat who the current and former leaders of the Bonannos want to kill . Nobody inside the Bonannos right now are speaking or communicating with him . More or less ,His knowledge and “reporting “ of modern day Bonanno affairs are the equivalent of random posters on this board.
Scott
Dom C has more reporting credentials than me ? Is that what your saying?
Cicale is a rat who the current and former leaders of the Bonannos want to kill . Nobody inside the Bonannos right now are speaking or communicating with him . More or less ,His knowledge and “reporting “ of modern day Bonanno affairs are the equivalent of random posters on this board.
Scott
Dom C has more reporting credentials than me ? Is that what your saying?
A Hitler reference to Cicale. He wasn't talking about you. Stop muddying the waters.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm
This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?
Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.
I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.
You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm
This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?
Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.
I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.
You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.
Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.
Fair enough i think that's a great way of looking at things.
I'm not set on anything i've explained my position. IMO Cicale would be more credible when he's an actual Soldier and especially when it's a situation he's a central figure in like Nick Cirillo, i'm not saying i look to Cicale on the Genovese leadership at that point, i'm saying that he had a conflict with Nick Cirillo and he later disappeared so i take him seriously on that issue. IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:27 pm
IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.
Sure. Absolutely agree.
But this isnt a Cicale 2025 vs Cicale 2005. Its a Cicale 2025 vs a Burnstein 2025.
Cicale has bronx ties, Burnstein doesnt. There is no horse in this race, just a likelihood of truth.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm
This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?
Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.
I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.
You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.
Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.
Fair enough i think that's a great way of looking at things.
I'm not set on anything i've explained my position. IMO Cicale would be more credible when he's an actual Soldier and especially when it's a situation he's a central figure in like Nick Cirillo, i'm not saying i look to Cicale on the Genovese leadership at that point, i'm saying that he had a conflict with Nick Cirillo and he later disappeared so i take him seriously on that issue. IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.
Camo, you bring a good point. Cicale and his EG vodka. We all called him a bullshitter and a liar. I remember when Cicale said after he flipped he was doing construction projects with made guys and they didnt care because Dom was making money. And its got nothing to do with the Bronx. Imo and im just guessing, its because Dom used to be a bonanno. Also he has stated how much he dislikes Mancuso and tried to kill Mancuso. And he went on and on about his hatred for him. It was an easy opportunity for Cicale to jump on this and say "see, told, ya. Thats what I think...anyways.
Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm
This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?
Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.
I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.
You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.
Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.
Fair enough i think that's a great way of looking at things.
I'm not set on anything i've explained my position. IMO Cicale would be more credible when he's an actual Soldier and especially when it's a situation he's a central figure in like Nick Cirillo, i'm not saying i look to Cicale on the Genovese leadership at that point, i'm saying that he had a conflict with Nick Cirillo and he later disappeared so i take him seriously on that issue. IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.
Camo, you bring a good point. Cicale and his EG vodka. We all called him a bullshitter and a liar. I remember when Cicale said after he flipped he was doing construction projects with made guys and they didnt care because Dom was making money. And its got nothing to do with the Bronx. Imo and im just guessing, its because Dom used to be a bonanno. Also he has stated how much he dislikes Mancuso and tried to kill Mancuso. And he went on and on about his hatred for him. It was an easy opportunity for Cicale to jump on this and say "see, told, ya. Thats what I think...anyways.
I'm fine agreeing that Cicale is full of shit but then we can't use him as a reliable source against Scott. That was my entire point. He is credible or he isn't. Seeing Cicale be ressurected as a cedible source because it was convenient seemed nonsensical to me. Am i wrong?
These robberies never happened, both Scott and Nadu’s most recent posts about this and the Peter pellegrinos story are known bs idk how or where they got this info but it’s all wrong
