General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Patrickgold]

Is it false to say that I find it to be incomplete or incompetent journalism to not at least compare the three separate views?? To tell junior “well the guy in charge of crime in Chicago who is actually in the know says the opposite of what you’re saying. What is your proof that the outfit is completely defunct?”

John Binder doesn’t seem like the most credible source, but he is a local who has some remote access to those who would know

This Doug guy is clearly the most credible and trustworthy source on the matter, so his word should be taken as bond in my opinion

Well, he is the Special Agent in Charge in Chicago so he knows something. That is a very strong statement to say that they are “very viable”. The last special agent in charge said they were running on fumes. This one says they are very viable. Does that indicate a resurgence? With law enforcement on all levels downsizing or even disbanding their organized crime units, I would say that’s very possible.

John Binder is said to be an expert on Outfit matters but is he really? What sources does he have? He’s more of a historian in my opinion.

Calabrese is not really in the know now and never really was. His father is the one that gave him all of his information. He didn’t have a good reputation when he was involved in the Outfit through his dad. He was known as a Drug addict and thief. I don’t think any legit associate or member would speak or associate with him now. He also is very clear in that he claims he only gave up his father and nobody else. I’m sure he doesn’t want to anger him he guys still on the street and give them a reason to go after him.

I completely agree with everything you’re saying and you are the most on the ground Outfit source we have here. I agree that it’s a huge statement on his part. Didn’t the Cassano/Galione case reveal that the CCC still exists? This new guy is a local who obviously would have inside horses who know what is what.

Binder is indeed a historian with loose sources. He’s a poor man’s bernsteen, only he doesn’t focus on LCN outside of Chicago

I highly disagree that Junior C was never in the know. Not only was he in the know, but he was raised in the trenches in the motherland. He knew a lot, and although he may be currently out of the loop, he knew what was what back then. And whenever he’s asked about Chinatown or current players, he stumbles over his words and gets visibly discombobulated. He blatantly stated in a televised visit to Elmwood that he would never receive the same welcome there as he would in Bridgeport. This wasn’t all that long ago. To me, he’s clearly keeping a lot of info close to the vest, and obviously he still has a LOT of familial relations to present outfit people. He wasn’t straightened out, obviously, but he was around many guys who were and were privy to a lot of inner workings

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear that he was told by the Feds to ignore certain guys and to downplay activity in order to make them more loose and vulnerable

The Doug guy has no allegiance to anyone and wouldn’t have any reason to bullshit

Ok let me clarify. Jr was in the know bc of his father. But if his Uncle Nick, a made guy, was not in the know on issues like who’s made and who’s not then Jr wouldn’t either unless his father told him.

[funkster]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

[OcSleeper]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

Here's the video
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... t/3746324/

[funkster]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

Here's the video
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... t/3746324/

Thanks, interesting stuff. I know he probably maintains some street ties but I don’t think Frank jrs opinion in the matter means much quite honestly.

[OcSleeper]

Here's the video
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... t/3746324/

Hitman who killed infamous mob boss Sam Giancana unmasked
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... d/3747136/

[Aunt+Baby]

The idea the Frank Calabrese Jr. has ANY knowledge of the Outfit in 2025 is comical.

I dunno. I disagree. He’s still in contact with a lot of people from there. He can go to Elmwood Park & they’re too afraid to fuck with him because he’s gov’d up, and he rubs it in their faces.

I heard something a few years back about him & some friends at a sports bar in Elmwood Park watching a Bears game, and Tony Dote & some of his crew were there & they were trying to intimidate him. He held his ground for a while but eventually decided to leave.

He also grew up in Elmwood Park & was close with families like the Dotes, Damicos, Cerones, Spirrizzis, Magnafichis etc all of the Outfit royalty. I maintain he still knows quite a bit about what’s going on but this is his way of insulating them, by downplaying activity publicly. He’s always struck me as a guy who misses the Life

[Aunt+Baby]

Spizzirris*

[Ivan]

Nothing new in the story except for this nice pic of Momo dead I hadn't seen before.

I eye-rolled at the end where he insinuated that Accardo did the Valentine's Day Massacre.

[funkster]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

[Cosmik_Debris]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

His brother Kurt told him and swore him not to tell. Here is him telling Michael Franzese the story.

Around the 21 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUivTwkR5Ps

[funkster]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

His brother Kurt told him and swore him not to tell. Here is him telling Michael Franzese the story.

Around the 21 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUivTwkR5Ps

Hmmm a more recent one I recalled someone with a much closer proximity to these things. Could have sworn he said it was his dad. If it was his brother I’m much less inclined to put much stock in it.

[Cosmik_Debris]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

His brother Kurt told him and swore him not to tell. Here is him telling Michael Franzese the story.

Around the 21 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUivTwkR5Ps

Hmmm a more recent one I recalled someone with a much closer proximity to these things. Could have sworn he said it was his dad. If it was his brother I’m much less inclined to put much stock in it.

I wouldn't buy it. His brother says here if he would've known it prior, it would've been in his (Frank Jr.'s) book and as soon as he told him, he went straight to the news media.

[funkster]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

His brother Kurt told him and swore him not to tell. Here is him telling Michael Franzese the story.

Around the 21 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUivTwkR5Ps

Hmmm a more recent one I recalled someone with a much closer proximity to these things. Could have sworn he said it was his dad. If it was his brother I’m much less inclined to put much stock in it.

I wouldn't buy it. His brother says here if he would've known it prior, it would've been in his (Frank Jr.'s) book and as soon as he told him, he went straight to the news media.

This is why I don’t put much stock into what he says about the current outfit, he just doesn’t know.

[Patrickgold]

Whoever pointed out that Frank jr. as main source would make it likely Goudie said Accardo was right.

Does anyone remember who jr said told him it was “the old man”? I thought it was someone other than his father.

His brother Kurt told him and swore him not to tell. Here is him telling Michael Franzese the story.

Around the 21 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUivTwkR5Ps

Hmmm a more recent one I recalled someone with a much closer proximity to these things. Could have sworn he said it was his dad. If it was his brother I’m much less inclined to put much stock in it.

I wouldn't buy it. His brother says here if he would've known it prior, it would've been in his (Frank Jr.'s) book and as soon as he told him, he went straight to the news media.

This is why I don’t put much stock into what he says about the current outfit, he just doesn’t know.

Yes, Kurt claims he told him. Unless I see FBI files from when Jr flipped that says Calabrese Sr told them this rumor, then he is full of shit that his Uncle and Father told him that. Also, where are the FBI files saying Nick told the FBI that rumor?

[Cosmik_Debris]

Why would a single person still in the life EVER talk to Frank Jr. about the state of the Outfit and crimes they may or may not be committing?

This guy was a dumb fuck when he was active, and that was well over 25 years ago. He ratted out and recorded his OWN FATHER and ran to the feds. Because of his actions, a boss is still currently in a maximum security prison and another high level guy died in prison and the Outfit was pretty much decimated.

Do we really think anyone active in 2025 is giving this clown updates on the current state of the Outfit? Is he calling them up over the phone to chat about it? Are they meeting him in person to talk about it?

Frank Jr. knows probably less about the Outfit today than the people on this message board do.