General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Patrickgold]

Is it false to say that I find it to be incomplete or incompetent journalism to not at least compare the three separate views?? To tell junior “well the guy in charge of crime in Chicago who is actually in the know says the opposite of what you’re saying. What is your proof that the outfit is completely defunct?”

John Binder doesn’t seem like the most credible source, but he is a local who has some remote access to those who would know

This Doug guy is clearly the most credible and trustworthy source on the matter, so his word should be taken as bond in my opinion

Well, he is the Special Agent in Charge in Chicago so he knows something. That is a very strong statement to say that they are “very viable”. The last special agent in charge said they were running on fumes. This one says they are very viable. Does that indicate a resurgence? With law enforcement on all levels downsizing or even disbanding their organized crime units, I would say that’s very possible.

John Binder is said to be an expert on Outfit matters but is he really? What sources does he have? He’s more of a historian in my opinion.

Calabrese is not really in the know now and never really was. His father is the one that gave him all of his information. He didn’t have a good reputation when he was involved in the Outfit through his dad. He was known as a Drug addict and thief. I don’t think any legit associate or member would speak or associate with him now. He also is very clear in that he claims he only gave up his father and nobody else. I’m sure he doesn’t want to anger him he guys still on the street and give them a reason to go after him.

I completely agree with everything you’re saying and you are the most on the ground Outfit source we have here. I agree that it’s a huge statement on his part. Didn’t the Cassano/Galione case reveal that the CCC still exists? This new guy is a local who obviously would have inside horses who know what is what.

Binder is indeed a historian with loose sources. He’s a poor man’s bernsteen, only he doesn’t focus on LCN outside of Chicago

I highly disagree that Junior C was never in the know. Not only was he in the know, but he was raised in the trenches in the motherland. He knew a lot, and although he may be currently out of the loop, he knew what was what back then. And whenever he’s asked about Chinatown or current players, he stumbles over his words and gets visibly discombobulated. He blatantly stated in a televised visit to Elmwood that he would never receive the same welcome there as he would in Bridgeport. This wasn’t all that long ago. To me, he’s clearly keeping a lot of info close to the vest, and obviously he still has a LOT of familial relations to present outfit people. He wasn’t straightened out, obviously, but he was around many guys who were and were privy to a lot of inner workings

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear that he was told by the Feds to ignore certain guys and to downplay activity in order to make them more loose and vulnerable

The Doug guy has no allegiance to anyone and wouldn’t have any reason to bullshit

Ok let me clarify. Jr was in the know bc of his father. But if his Uncle Nick, a made guy, was not in the know on issues like who’s made and who’s not then Jr wouldn’t either unless his father told him.

[funkster]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

[OcSleeper]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

Here's the video
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... t/3746324/

[funkster]

Interesting on the FBI sac, this was in the Chuck goudie story on Giancana?

Here's the video
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-videos-h ... t/3746324/

Thanks, interesting stuff. I know he probably maintains some street ties but I don’t think Frank jrs opinion in the matter means much quite honestly.