B. wrote: ↑Mon May 05, 2025 10:46 am
If they really did transfer him to another Family within New York it would be the first time this is known to have happened since possibly Jake Columbo in the 1950s and we don't have many other examples even before that.
Anthony Persiano transferred from the Lucchese family to Philly and if I recall correctly Robert Vaccaro was also made into the Lucchese family but transferred to the Gambino’s.
Persiano's Lucchese induction was apparently invalidated which is why he was re-inducted opposed to transferred.
I'm not familiar w/ the Vaccaro story. Where does that come from?
He was, according to the Garcia book VERY connected in Sicily. Said he'd visited many times and had connections over there. I remember Garcia saying he was kinda impressed by him. Said his eyes had an intensity that was lije...unnerving.
He's PRECISLY the type of guy that has me mapping out which guys in NY have connections in Italy. Are there more?
It's a little surprising you hadn't heard of him.....
B. wrote: ↑Mon May 05, 2025 10:46 am
If they really did transfer him to another Family within New York it would be the first time this is known to have happened since possibly Jake Columbo in the 1950s and we don't have many other examples even before that.
Anthony Persiano transferred from the Lucchese family to Philly and if I recall correctly Robert Vaccaro was also made into the Lucchese family but transferred to the Gambino’s.
Persiano's Lucchese induction was apparently invalidated which is why he was re-inducted opposed to transferred.
I'm not familiar w/ the Vaccaro story. Where does that come from?
I thought it was the first induction Persiano went through by that rogue Philly element under Scarfo Sr that was invalidated and later Scarfo Jr as capo proposes and inducts Persiano into the Lucchese family but he was eventually given back to Philly by transfer after Scarfo Jr falls out of favor. Seems ridiculous but it’s possible this guy went through 3 ceremonies.
Vaccaro was under DePalma. Jack Garcia quotes DePalma saying Vaccaro ‘was originally a Luke but now he’s with us’. Maybe like Pogo said he was an associate but I didn’t read it that way not sure if there is other info on how that scenario played out from other sources.
moneyman wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 3:45 am
I’m probably in the minority here but I don’t have hard time believing this story could at least partially be true.
Mancuso and Bonnano Bronx faction have history of being aggressive, murders etc. Vito Guzzo would fit the mold there.. if there is a claim to be made that Guzzo making ceremony is invalid I could see Mancuso or other families trying to make a claim for him... who knows..
Chin shared a video from Pennisi where he said Anthony Guzzo said he was introduced to more guys visiting Vito, than he was on the street. So I don't see why he wouldn't be recognized now and if other families or Colombo members have issues with Guzzo's prison induction, I don't see why they wouldn't just redo it like families have in the past with other invalid/controversial inductions.
I think a bigger issue preventing people to believe this is obviously Scott's reputation but also the fact he's making it sound like the Colombos have put Vito up for auction to the other 4 families.
Waingro wrote: ↑Mon May 05, 2025 7:48 pm
I didn't know Anthony Guzzo's background that was surprising to read because I thought John Pennisi always talked about how Anthony isn't a tough guy.
OcSleeper wrote: ↑Mon May 05, 2025 9:04 pm
And wasn't Persiano one of the guys made into Scarfo illegitimate Philly family, not the Luccheses?
That's my interpretation of it too. An unrecognised branch of the Philly family that still looked to Scarfo as the boss. On the Nick Stefanelli tapes, Scoops Licata and Lou Fazzini also speak about how Scarfo Jr tried to recruit Joey Grande by offering to make him a captain under his father. Fazzini goes on to explicitly state that they weren't referring to making Grande a captain with the Luccheses. It's clear they were trying to form their own version of the Philly family.
Yeah, the Scarfos were definitely trying to create their own branch of the Philly Family but I wasn't sure if it was ever clarified whether Persiano was inducted as a "Philly" member or a Lucchese. Capeci reported rumors from "two reliable sources" that Persiano had actually been made into three separate Families so if true I'd guess he was inducted by the rogue Scarfo "Philly" group, the Luccheses, and finally the Merlino/Ligambi Philly Family.
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 4:40 am
He was, according to the Garcia book VERY connected in Sicily. Said he'd visited many times and had connections over there. I remember Garcia saying he was kinda impressed by him. Said his eyes had an intensity that was lije...unnerving.
He's PRECISLY the type of guy that has me mapping out which guys in NY have connections in Italy. Are there more?
It's a little surprising you hadn't heard of him.....
I'm familiar with him as a Gambino member and recall him being in Garcia's book but didn't recall anything about him transferring membership from the Luccheses to the Gambinos. If the only source was Garcia quoting DePalma as saying Vaccaro was originally a Lucchese who is now with the Gambinos that's pretty vague and could just mean he was a Lucchese associate released to the Gambinos.
I don't recall that about Vaccaro having Sicilian connections. Wonder what the substance is or what part of Sicily his family is from. My eyes glazed over back when I read the Garcia book and I skimmed a lot of it.
Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?
If they made him in the can and stuck by him, why would they even consider letting him go? He’s clearly bringing boatloads of respect and street cred to any sit down he goes to no matter what crew he sits down with so why would they just give him up
Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 11:48 am
Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?
If they made him in the can and stuck by him, why would they even consider letting him go? He’s clearly bringing boatloads of respect and street cred to any sit down he goes to no matter what crew he sits down with so why would they just give him up
IF it was true, and that's a HUGE if, it'd obviously be an exchange. The Colombo's wouldn't just give him away.
Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 11:48 am
Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?
If they made him in the can and stuck by him, why would they even consider letting him go? He’s clearly bringing boatloads of respect and street cred to any sit down he goes to no matter what crew he sits down with so why would they just give him up
IF it was true, and that's a HUGE if, it'd obviously be an exchange. The Colombo's wouldn't just give him away.
I heard the current trade package is a future acting capo and a mobster to be named later.
Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 11:48 am
Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?
Didn’t the article say he was requesting to be transferred? He must not be happy with them for whatever reason. I wonder what his relationship with Teddy Persico is like?
I dont believe Vaccaro was actually made with the Lucchese but he was an associate . Im also thinking that maybe the Bonanno's are saying Guzzo's ceremony isnt valid and thats why he wants a transfer which Guzzo obviously wants.
Kinda funny how scott appeared quickly in this thread to tell Rush not to post his "articles" for free then disappears. People are calling him out for his lies and he hasn't come back to prove anyone wrong or showboat like his old posts bragging about how we are stuck with him etc.
Anything to say about this situation scott? Or are you ready to concede you write fan fiction and pass it off as fact? What does Frank Salerno have to say about all this scott?
Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 11:48 am
Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?
If they made him in the can and stuck by him, why would they even consider letting him go? He’s clearly bringing boatloads of respect and street cred to any sit down he goes to no matter what crew he sits down with so why would they just give him up
IF it was true, and that's a HUGE if, it'd obviously be an exchange. The Colombo's wouldn't just give him away.
I heard the current trade package is a future acting capo and a mobster to be named later.
