Beliefs with no evidence

[moneyman]

I may be wrong in assuming Gotti vs Sicillian riff actually took place.. but I feel like I hear that narrative thrown around all the time

[B.]

B, Pietro was the nephew of Nino & Giuseppe. But there was another Pietro who was indeed their brother, he died in 2007 in Staten Island.

Yep, I know -- I was referring to Nino and Giuseppe's brother who is also Joe Gambino's father-in-law. Point being that John Gambino and "Zu Pietro" Inzerillo were influential members of the Inzerillo clan who weren't killed even though they could have posed a threat to the Corleonesi, so it wasn't as simple as Greco/Riina demanding that Castellano kill Inzerillo relatives. Nino Inzerillo got himself killed by refusing his boss's orders and inserting himself in the conflict and his relatives like Gambino and Pietro Inzerillo survived because they didn't do that.

Lol...Profaci didn't mediate between the Grecos?

Like Johnny said, mediating is different from meddling. John Gambino for example did try to mediate during the Palermo war but he did it the proper way. He got the approval of his boss, met directly with Rosario Riccobono from the Corleonese faction and respectfully tried to negotiate to save lives, didn't try to instigate or escalate the conflict. Nino Inzerillo on the other hand was instigating.

A similar situation played out in Castellammare where Cesare Bonventre told other Castellammaresi in NYC not to involve themselves in the conflict going on in Sicily even though friends/relatives were under fire there. He likely understood that he wasn't allowed to meddle in that conflict and on a practical level likely saw no use.

[sdeitche]

Al Capone’ hideouts!

I grew up in the Midwest along the Mississippi and every town in W IL and E IA has bars, hotel, islands on the river that were supposedly one his hideouts.

Apparently the guy had no less than 23,000 hideouts.

He has dozens in Florida too, including three homes "he built for his mother" in St. Petersburg.

Busy man

[PolackTony]

Al Capone’ hideouts!

I grew up in the Midwest along the Mississippi and every town in W IL and E IA has bars, hotel, islands on the river that were supposedly one his hideouts.

Apparently the guy had no less than 23,000 hideouts.

He has dozens in Florida too, including three homes "he built for his mother" in St. Petersburg.

Busy man

One can also probably find some claim somewhere at sometime that practically every bootlegging ring from California to New England and from Ontario to Cuba was part of the “Capone gang”.

[stubbs]

Al Capone’ hideouts!

I grew up in the Midwest along the Mississippi and every town in W IL and E IA has bars, hotel, islands on the river that were supposedly one his hideouts.

Apparently the guy had no less than 23,000 hideouts.

He has dozens in Florida too, including three homes "he built for his mother" in St. Petersburg.

Busy man

One can also probably find some claim somewhere at sometime that practically every bootlegging ring from California to New England and from Ontario to Cuba was part of the “Capone gang”.

In addition to Capone's hideouts, there's various stories of Capone's men arriving in New Orleans, Galveston, etc. and being greeted at the train station by local gangsters, having their fingers broken, and being sent back home empty handed.

Obviously nonsense as Chicago gangs would've likely imported booze from Canada instead of going all the way down towards the Mexican border or gulf coast.

[stubbs]

Belief with no evidence: There's probably several more smaller families that died out before the 1930s, like the Birmingham family, that we may never learn about.

My guess is there may have been a separate family in Galveston, Houston, or Bryan, Texas before the 1930s. Then, maybe the few remaining members merged with the Dallas family.

[Ivan]

Belief with no evidence: There's probably several more smaller families that died out before the 1930s, like the Birmingham family, that we may never learn about.

My guess is there may have been a separate family in Galveston, Houston, or Bryan, Texas before the 1930s. Then, maybe the few remaining members merged with the Dallas family.

Yeah, I speculate that there was one in Youngstown, Ohio 100+ years ago though I have zero real evidence for this. And not just "the Calabrian organization," I mean a home-grown Cosa Nostra family unique to that city.

[B.]

Belief with no evidence: There's probably several more smaller families that died out before the 1930s, like the Birmingham family, that we may never learn about.

My guess is there may have been a separate family in Galveston, Houston, or Bryan, Texas before the 1930s. Then, maybe the few remaining members merged with the Dallas family.

There is definitely basis for some of them and others that are more speculative. This thread went into it although there is more we could add to the discussion in the five years since then: viewtopic.php?t=6661

[cavita]

Belief with no evidence: There's probably several more smaller families that died out before the 1930s, like the Birmingham family, that we may never learn about.

My guess is there may have been a separate family in Galveston, Houston, or Bryan, Texas before the 1930s. Then, maybe the few remaining members merged with the Dallas family.

There is definitely basis for some of them and others that are more speculative. This thread went into it although there is more we could add to the discussion in the five years since then: viewtopic.php?t=6661

Yeah I think there were some more in South Central Illinois where the coal mining towns saw a heavy influx of Italians. I think these little clans absorbed into the larger Springfield, Illinois and St. Louis families

[JoelTurner]

This ties into what’s being said about small families, I believe that there were several families that were absorbed by Buffalo. Looking at some of the cities where they had a presence: Utica - Frankfort, Rochester, Auburn, Syracuse, Erie, Etc

These cities weren’t exactly close. For example, the distance between Utica & Buffalo (~200 Miles) is greater than the distance between NYC & Providence (~180 Miles)

Plus Valachi names Utica as a family

[CabriniGreen]

What part of it are you having issue with?

Castellano didn't kill John Gambino, Pietro Inzerillo (Nino and Giuseppe's brother), or any number of other Inzerillo clan members in and around the Gambino Family even though I'm sure Greco and Riina would have been happy to have them killed as well. He killed Nino Inzerillo because Nino defied his boss's order not to intervene in the Sicilian war. We know from Naimo that John Gambino in contrast did exactly what he was told to do and when he did try to help his relatives he followed protocol and did it the proper way. He also killed his own relative Nino Inzerillo when ordered because Inzerillo did the opposite of what he was told to do.

Castellano was immensely wealthy, had a Family of 200-300 members, and thousands of associates -- he was arguably more powerful than anyone in the Sicilian mafia -- it's not like Greco or Riina could force him to kill a captain of his own Family just because they were out to remove the Inzerillos from power in Palermo. Inzerillo was specifically killed because he defied his boss's orders and was meddling in a Sicilian mafia conflict. His actions made Castellano look bad and had the potential to entangle the Gambino Family in an international conflict so Castellano had him killed. It was mutually beneficial in that Castellano got rid of a rogue capodecina who wasn't listening to his boss and Greco/Riina got rid of a powerful Inzerillo relative.

Members of American Families aren't allowed to meddle in the affairs of Sicilian Families and vice versa. Nino Inzerillo didn't just defy Castellano, he was breaking a long-established rule designed to preserve the autonomy of the American and Sicilian branches of Cosa Nostra.

Maybe my last post on this..... It's not an issue I have, but at some point this probably needs to be updated with CONTEMPORARY information...... are we not allowed to speculate or ask? If anything... I don't understand the issue with my line of inquiry......

Like.......the Glen Cove thing should probably be added....right? They got the Scirrippas on there, but the Ursinos have come and gone, but Valente might be out soon? Are they still there? Were they replaced by another group? Many questions here.....

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