What is the today involvement of American Mafia in drug trade?

[CabriniGreen]

Maybe Ted Otto imagined he was working that case which he said involved the authorities here like ICE and HSI and authorities in Italy. Maybe they all imagined working it, this ongoing case. I don’t even understand how this can be even remotely questioned as anything other than fact. You think they have shipping manifests and informants and videos and arrests which he said have happened but the case is a continuation also of previous cases, there’s aren’t opinions, it’s facts.
How many Wiseguy cases in New York have you worked and investigated? Otto has worked hundreds and hundreds. He said his first OC case started in 1991. They investigated a violent crew of young Bonnano associates from the Bronx who were doing everything from drugs to home invasions to car jackings and were kicking up money and doing everything they could to impress there guy who was a solider at the time in the early 90s and later rose to be Acting Boss, Vinny Basciano

Do you referring to Bath Avenue Crew?

Some kids from the Bronx

[Wiseguy]

According to a recent interview w Ted Otto he said “he can’t specify what cause it’s an ongoing case but the Gambino family and the people that are running it are involved in importing unbelievable amounts of cocaine, multi metric tons. It’s an ongoing case, so I can’t comment more than that but it will be adjudicated in the future”

Multi metric tons? The source gives it some weight but I'll believe that when I see it.

Lol yeah I’m gonna take the words of Ted Otto over yourself. Who is ex FBI and said he was working on the case until he retired and that he was every clear it’s happening and that it was a case that involved the leaders of the Gambino Family along with the Mafia in Italy

Are you saying Ted Otto is lying and making it up?

You're new here so you're not aware pretty much nobody cites the FBI more than I do. So the idea you look to the feds more than I do isn't going to fly.

At the same time, I'm familiar with the American family's level of involvement in the drug trade. Look at Otto's quote below.

Without going into a lot of detail, and it's stating what is obvious, the role that at least one of the five families plays in international drug trafficking is stunning. In the world of trafficking. If you're a drug dealer and you can access a complete kilo of cocaine, you're in a stratosphere. You were so far above street level stuff that's one kilo. If you can bundle twenty kilows, you're a big market player. You're a trafficker. What this scheme involved was trafficking cocaine on an industrial scale, like mind blowing amounts of coke, mind blowing. That's one of the aspects that really grabbed our attention, specifically my attention as I was heading out.

The New York families can access a kilo of cocaine and can bundle 20 kilos. However, when you're talking about moving cocaine by the metric ton - and that seems to be more you saying that than Otto - that's going to be one of the crime groups in Italy, usually the Ndrangheta. We've seen several cases over the past 10 or 15 years of some NY families playing a marginal role with Italian groups in some large-scale international rings. However, we've never seen an American mob family moving cocaine on a multi-metric ton scale. Not independently, nor as the primary mover in partnership with others. And that includes in the past when the LCN had a bigger stake in the drug trade.

Now feel free to go back to watching Scott B's Patreon.

[7digits]

According to a recent interview w Ted Otto he said “he can’t specify what cause it’s an ongoing case but the Gambino family and the people that are running it are involved in importing unbelievable amounts of cocaine, multi metric tons. It’s an ongoing case, so I can’t comment more than that but it will be adjudicated in the future”

Multi metric tons? The source gives it some weight but I'll believe that when I see it.

Lol yeah I’m gonna take the words of Ted Otto over yourself. Who is ex FBI and said he was working on the case until he retired and that he was every clear it’s happening and that it was a case that involved the leaders of the Gambino Family along with the Mafia in Italy

Are you saying Ted Otto is lying and making it up?

You're new here so you're not aware pretty much nobody cites the FBI more than I do. So the idea you look to the feds more than I do isn't going to fly.

At the same time, I'm familiar with the American family's level of involvement in the drug trade. Look at Otto's quote below.

Without going into a lot of detail, and it's stating what is obvious, the role that at least one of the five families plays in international drug trafficking is stunning. In the world of trafficking. If you're a drug dealer and you can access a complete kilo of cocaine, you're in a stratosphere. You were so far above street level stuff that's one kilo. If you can bundle twenty kilows, you're a big market player. You're a trafficker. What this scheme involved was trafficking cocaine on an industrial scale, like mind blowing amounts of coke, mind blowing. That's one of the aspects that really grabbed our attention, specifically my attention as I was heading out.

The New York families can access a kilo of cocaine and can bundle 20 kilos. However, when you're talking about moving cocaine by the metric ton - and that seems to be more you saying that than Otto - that's going to be one of the crime groups in Italy, usually the Ndrangheta. We've seen several cases over the past 10 or 15 years of some NY families playing a marginal role with Italian groups in some large-scale international rings. However, we've never seen an American mob family moving cocaine on a multi-metric ton scale. Not independently, nor as the primary mover in partnership with others. And that includes in the past when the LCN had a bigger stake in the drug trade.

Now feel free to go back to watching Scott B's Patreon.

Not new I knew you on the other forums like real deal and gangsterbb. You were and are a probation officer. I’m familiar with you. Anyways not looking to fight. Just want to have A conversation about an interview w an FBI agent. A rational conversation not discuss opinions just about what the case that Ted Otto talked about working with HSI and ICE that involved the current leadership of the Gambinos and them being involved in an industrial scale in importing mind blowing amounts of cocaine globally. A case that according to him has not yet been adjudicated and is still ongoing….

[7digits]

I respect your knowledge of the mob during the 70s,80s and 90s

[Wiseguy]

Not new I knew you on the other forums like real deal and gangsterbb. You were and are a probation officer. I’m familiar with you. Anyways not looking to fight. Just want to have A conversation about an interview w an FBI agent. A rational conversation not discuss opinions just about what the case that Ted Otto talked about working with HSI and ICE that involved the current leadership of the Gambinos and them being involved in an industrial scale in importing mind blowing amounts of cocaine globally. A case that according to him has not yet been adjudicated and is still ongoing….

Yes, we know each other going back to the Real Deal.

Yes, I was a probation officer. But I haven't been one for several years now.

Again, look at Otto's statement below. He mentions one of the five families without specifying which one, though your assumption that he's referring to the Gambinos is understandable given he was on that squad and that family's known involvement in drug trafficking. Notice he doesn't mention metric tons. He does mention "cocaine on an industrial scale, like mind blowing amounts of coke." If history is any guide, this case he's referring to likely involves the Ndrangheta (or the Sicilian Mafia possibly) with the Gambinos playing some sort of role. If we are talking just about the Gambinos, a good example can be seen back in the 2011 Trucchio case when the government alleged they "distributed hundreds of kilograms of cocaine and marijuana, and thousands of ecstasy and vicodin pills;" but this was over a time span from the late 1980s to 2010.

[Luca]

It seems to me that out of the five families, the Colombo’s had the least amount of involvement in drugs. Is this true?

[Wiseguy]

It seems to me that out of the five families, the Colombo’s had the least amount of involvement in drugs. Is this true?

Relatively speaking, both historically and in more recent times I would say yes.

[AntComello]

It seems to me that out of the five families, the Colombo’s had the least amount of involvement in drugs. Is this true?

Relatively speaking, both historically and in more recent times I would say yes.

The way the Colombo’s are portrayed you would think it would be the opposite.

[Ozgoz]

Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

[TallGuy19]

Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

The mob has been involved in street level dealing for a long time. Greg Scarpa, Tommy Pitera, and Froggy Galione had street level dealers under them.

[CabriniGreen]

Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

The 1st 3...... Im not sure if they matter? I dunno...

Unless the Mexicans have made major inroads into the refining processes, I think these are basically locals. Controlled BY locals.


4. Western Hemisphere, Mexico. They have the border.
Europe? Italians, Albanians, Dutch and Serbs, I think handle the majority. Thst Irish guy Kinahan had a big organization too.


5. In the 80s. Yeah. Now.... I think It's Mexicans. East coast, MAYBE Dominicans? I'll bet money all the coke goes to Europe, and NY is just the transhipment point. Like what the Corona Queens guy was doing.

6 and 7 depend on where you are talking about. In Palermo, they are the mid-level dealers, and Ndrangheta are the suppliers/importers. In that Lombard mafia system, that Consortium was sourcing a ton of coke a month, and all the dealers were theirs too. Horizontal/ Vertical integration.


Also..... don't sleep on this development....

https://www.voanews.com/a/discovery-of- ... 93617.html

[scagghiuni]

6 and 7 depend on where you are talking about. In Palermo, they are the mid-level dealers, and Ndrangheta are the suppliers/importers. In that Lombard mafia system, that Consortium was sourcing a ton of coke a month, and all the dealers were theirs too. Horizontal/ Vertical integration.

this is only true for cocaine, as regards other drugs the situation is different, Sicily is the largest producer of marijuana in Italy, obviously controlled by the mafia, hashish is imported mainly by the Camorra and as regards heroin it comes from various sources

[Wiseguy]

Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

The 1st 3...... Im not sure if they matter? I dunno...

Unless the Mexicans have made major inroads into the refining processes, I think these are basically locals. Controlled BY locals.


4. Western Hemisphere, Mexico. They have the border.
Europe? Italians, Albanians, Dutch and Serbs, I think handle the majority. Thst Irish guy Kinahan had a big organization too.


5. In the 80s. Yeah. Now.... I think It's Mexicans. East coast, MAYBE Dominicans? I'll bet money all the coke goes to Europe, and NY is just the transhipment point. Like what the Corona Queens guy was doing.

6 and 7 depend on where you are talking about. In Palermo, they are the mid-level dealers, and Ndrangheta are the suppliers/importers. In that Lombard mafia system, that Consortium was sourcing a ton of coke a month, and all the dealers were theirs too. Horizontal/ Vertical integration.


Also..... don't sleep on this development....

https://www.voanews.com/a/discovery-of- ... 93617.html

Below are the drug trade levels I've seen listed. The LCN - and I'm talking the NY families - primarily operate at the multi-kilo and pound distribution levels. To a lesser degree above and below.

Cartel
Importers
Multi-Kilo Distributors
Pound Distributors
Ounce-Level Distributors
Gram-Level Distributors

[Amershire_Ed]

The best first hand accounts in recent years on how the cartels operate from “farm to table” come from Pedro and Margarito Flores. American born, with Mexican heritage and deep ties in Sinaloa. They were El Chapo and El Mayo’s biggest dealers in America.

The work moves from the farms, where kilos typically go for $3k a piece, and they work their way up to the various plazas at the border. If you cop on the Mexican side and bring it across yourself, you are probably looking at $12k/kilo. If you buy in bulk once they get it across it would go up to $16, $17. And if you wait til it makes its way to Chicago, NYC, LA you are probably paying a couple grand more.

Also 95% of the time, the Mexicans don’t work on consignment. If you are bringing in 500 kilos, they are going to want payment immediately. There’s no half now, half later. However Alex Perry, who has written about the Ndrangheta extensively, says there is evidence that the Mexicans will in fact allow the Calabrians to work on credit. Something that’s not offered to any other criminal group they work with.