Some Notable 302s from Al D’Arco

[Little_Al1991]

I thought about that before. Would probably require having to track down one of the court cases and identifying a docket number corresponding to the 302s being shared in discovery. No documents filed prior to November 2004 are available to access on PACER unless you're a party in the case, so it would probably require going directly to the court to request the item. I've done that once before with an audio recording of testimony but it was a much more expensive than getting things through PACER and a bit of a hassle because at least some federal courts don't process payments online and require either a cheque or a money order.

The alternative would be doing a FOIA request but then it'd likely come back heavily redacted.

I’ve read that the court can send you trial transcripts for free if you directly go to the court where the trial took place
If you do identify the docket and the case number, it’s likely that they have other documents pertaining to the case at the court
The case number for D’Arco would pertain to the windows case, and the docket number would either be Vic Amuso’s docket or Vincent Gigante’s docket since he testified against them.

Why would an FOIA request come back as heavily redacted? Much of it is public knowledge and has been revealed within court through vast amounts of testimony. The 302s have also been the subject of cross examination various times publicly in court

They are two different bodies processing the request. The 302 as part of an FBI file is in their custody and they can redact how they please. If it is entered into record in the court, it typically isn't redacted although sometimes things like this are parts of sealed entries. It's dumb, but since when has government methodology made sense?

It would be worth a shot of making a FOIA specifically requesting it. This snippet of information that we have from these 302s are fantastic

[DonPeppino386]

Thanks for posting. Great info in here.

[PolackTony]

Interesting note on the Commission membership. Jimmy Fratianno had also claimed that John Scalish of Cleveland was on the Commission, along with Bruno and Zerilli, until it was reduced to just NYC and Chicago in ‘76 (though Scalish died that year anyway).

Freddy Santantonio also said he was told by his capodecina (Dongarra) that Scalish was on the Commission.

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Thanks for posting the 302s, Al.

Great, we have three member sources to support that Cleveland regained their Commission seat.

[johnny_scootch]

The ceremony mentioned in March ‘91 at Rugsy Vario’s house where Patty Testa, Tommy Red and others were made was 633 East 84 Street. I lived on that block for years but moved summer of ‘90. Anthony Grado’s father/relatives also lived on that block at 646.

[B.]

Another interesting thing is he says Jake Columbo was sponsored into the Luccheses by Joe Schiavo. In JD's write-up he says Columbo was a Genovese member who Valachi or Santantonio said transferred from the Colombo Family.

This adds the possibility that he actually transferred from the Luccheses. Columbo was from the Brownsville area so he would fit in with Schiavo and the Curiale/Various crew. He was Sicilian too like all of them.

[Little_Al1991]

Another interesting thing is he says Jake Columbo was sponsored into the Luccheses by Joe Schiavo. In JD's write-up he says Columbo was a Genovese member who Valachi or Santantonio said transferred from the Colombo Family.

This adds the possibility that he actually transferred from the Luccheses. Columbo was from the Brownsville area so he would fit in with Schiavo and the Curiale/Various crew. He was Sicilian too like all of them.

Pennisi said that during his time, there was no such thing as transferring members but I’ve read that Carmine’s brother, Allie Boy, was inducted elsewhere and then brought into the Colombo Family which is strange

It seems as if members can transfer, albeit rarely I assume.

[B.]

Yeah, Persico was made by Pittston and transferred when the books were closed. D'Arco said Migliore was also made elsewhere and transferred.

Transfers used to be common around the US and early on did happen in NYC although it was rare.

[JakeTheSnake630]

IIRC Patriarca Sr made a few guys and transferred them to other families also. But that is very interesting that Allie Boy was made by Bufalino, I want to say I read Migliore was also made by them too.

[B.]

Yeah Patriarca was himself made into the Genovese Family and transferred, same with Mickey Rocco. He also inducted a bunch of the Springfield guys on behalf of the Genovese. There's also a report that he inducted a member who transferred to the Gambinos -- this is probably Andy Parillo, longtime associate of Patriarca who ended up a Gambino member in NYC.

D'Arco didn't say/know which Family Migliore was made into but Pittston is likely as they made guys for the Colombos during that time and Migliore was a driver at Apalachin when he was an associate so he may have been familiar with those circles. Bufalino of course also had a strong presence in NYC. These inductions could have taken place in NYC too since Patriarca inducted Bianco in NYC even though he was brought into the Patriarcas for a couple years before transferring.

[cobra]

- maybe i count wrong, but it looks d'arco mentioned 23 murders are ordered by amuso and casso
- i am wondering if the captains are suggesting such murders to them
- or they both are highly psychotic

[Little_Al1991]

- maybe i count wrong, but it looks d'arco mentioned 23 murders are ordered by amuso and casso
- i am wondering if the captains are suggesting such murders to them
- or they both are highly psychotic

They were asked by some of the Captains for certain murders but they ordered the majority of them without the Captain’s asking them to do