Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:59 pm
And yet the number of Patriarca members for both states is a half-dozen.
It's wild that they've faded that much there given that they are as heavily Italian as Philadelphia. Might be a less mob-friendly culture there than South Philly or something.
There's a huge population stock there, but the kids don't seem to be joining the mob, while in Philly they still make new guys. (New York too, obviously.)
What's going on with New England seems to be going on with the DeCavalcantes too for some reason, and in spite of the same Italian population stock. (Deliberate winding down by the family elders, maybe? Hey it happened to Birmingham. )
Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:04 pmWah wah wah. Lol. Youre such a bitch.....
50 YEARS!! AND ROCKFORD IS COMING BACK TOO!!! LONG LIVE DETROIT!!
Don't get mad at me because I can do the math.
Let's see here. They go from approximately 60 members to around half of that in 30 years. About a third of the remaining members are in their 80s or older. But they're going to last another 50 years? Grow a brain.
Ivan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:09 pmIt's wild that they've faded that much there given that they are as heavily Italian as Philadelphia. Might be a less mob-friendly culture there than South Philly or something.
There's a huge population stock there, but the kids don't seem to be joining the mob, while in Philly they still make new guys. (New York too, obviously.)
What's going on with New England seems to be going on with the DeCavalcantes too for some reason, and in spite of the same Italian population stock. (Deliberate winding down by the family elders, maybe? Hey it happened to Birmingham. )
A relatively younger membership is one thing Philadelphia has going for it. And the fact they have continued to regularly make new members (15-17 new inductees from 2001-2019, according to Anastasia). They lost more than that during that time period but it does slow down the attrition.
Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:04 pmWah wah wah. Lol. Youre such a bitch.....
50 YEARS!! AND ROCKFORD IS COMING BACK TOO!!! LONG LIVE DETROIT!!
Don't get mad at me because I can do the math.
Let's see here. They go from approximately 60 members to around half of that in 30 years. About a third of the remaining members are in their 80s or older. But they're going to last another 50 years? Grow a brain.
Ivan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:09 pmIt's wild that they've faded that much there given that they are as heavily Italian as Philadelphia. Might be a less mob-friendly culture there than South Philly or something.
There's a huge population stock there, but the kids don't seem to be joining the mob, while in Philly they still make new guys. (New York too, obviously.)
What's going on with New England seems to be going on with the DeCavalcantes too for some reason, and in spite of the same Italian population stock. (Deliberate winding down by the family elders, maybe? Hey it happened to Birmingham. )
A relatively younger membership is one thing Philadelphia has going for it. And the fact they have continued to regularly make new members (15-17 new inductees from 2001-2019, according to Anastasia). They lost more than that during that time period but it does slow down the attrition.
No ones mad but you bitch.
Keep going!! Convince us!!
When will we know who was right??? In 50 years. But please tell me your predictions!
Who does Scott say are the new Genovese Leaders in Springfield? What a load of bullshit that there's anything left at all to kick up from to New York. Everything there is gone. The restaurants, the strip clubs, the social clubs. I'm not going to pay for Scott's fiction but I am interested in what he has to say about Springfield. Does he have Albert successfully getting an envelope from the Manzis? My point is that the mob culture that produced the envelopes for NY in the early 2000's is completely gone and it's a generation later with the last leaders being the rat who lives there now and Calvanese, who's apparently still on drugs.
Wiseguy isn't wrong at all about how dead Boston is....same thing as others have described here...Italian neighborhoods are gone..you have a few blocks left in Revere...not much at all and no new kids coming up...East Boston isn't Italian anymore at all...ask the Rossettis. Medford has been mostly gone for a decade. There is the remnants of a sportsbook here north of the city and that's it. Maybe some low-level drug crimes and nothing else, which equals no indictments or a budget worth funding against any remaining Italians. It's pretty much over otherwise here. Don't want to bum out the true believers but these are the facts.
mr white wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:31 pm
Wiseguy isn't wrong at all about how dead Boston is....same thing as others have described here...Italian neighborhoods are gone..you have a few blocks left in Revere...not much at all and no new kids coming up...East Boston isn't Italian anymore at all...ask the Rossettis. Medford has been mostly gone for a decade. There is the remnants of a sportsbook here north of the city and that's it. Maybe some low-level drug crimes and nothing else, which equals no indictments or a budget worth funding against any remaining Italians. It's pretty much over otherwise here. Don't want to bum out the true believers but these are the facts.
Ok so theres no family left? With guys in there 30s who are made? Asking for a friend.
Further, why should we believe your fresh street talk over someone elses?
The US census in 2019 has Revere at 22.7% Italian
and Statistical Atlas has Medford at 22.5% Italian as of 2018
mr white wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:31 pm
Wiseguy isn't wrong at all about how dead Boston is....same thing as others have described here...Italian neighborhoods are gone..you have a few blocks left in Revere...not much at all and no new kids coming up...East Boston isn't Italian anymore at all...ask the Rossettis. Medford has been mostly gone for a decade. There is the remnants of a sportsbook here north of the city and that's it. Maybe some low-level drug crimes and nothing else, which equals no indictments or a budget worth funding against any remaining Italians. It's pretty much over otherwise here. Don't want to bum out the true believers but these are the facts.
Ok so theres no family left? With guys in there 30s who are made? Asking for a friend.
Further, why should we believe your fresh street talk over someone elses?
I think there's remnants of the family left for sure. But no future and I don't think there are any names floating around of younger guys in their 30's unless you're thinking of the youngest DiNunzio or Angelesca's kid. Other "younger" guys that get mentioned from time to time are basically legit union guys like Federico, who makes a great living now backing trucks into parking spots (he doesn't drive the trucks he just comes out and motions for them to back up.)
The other younger guys disputed on here for a decade like Marino and Scarpelli and Costa, even Angelesca are all ghosts and not leading any resurgence. And there are no other younger names to dispute. The guys who owned the businesses are dead or too old and their kids don't play ball. There are some old guys betting still and definitely a few younger guys betting but with all the sportsbooks available here now its hard to find kids to bet underground. It's just the way it went.
mr white wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:31 pm
Wiseguy isn't wrong at all about how dead Boston is....same thing as others have described here...Italian neighborhoods are gone..you have a few blocks left in Revere...not much at all and no new kids coming up...East Boston isn't Italian anymore at all...ask the Rossettis. Medford has been mostly gone for a decade. There is the remnants of a sportsbook here north of the city and that's it. Maybe some low-level drug crimes and nothing else, which equals no indictments or a budget worth funding against any remaining Italians. It's pretty much over otherwise here. Don't want to bum out the true believers but these are the facts.
Ok so theres no family left? With guys in there 30s who are made? Asking for a friend.
Further, why should we believe your fresh street talk over someone elses?
I think there's remnants of the family left for sure. But no future and I don't think there are any names floating around of younger guys in their 30's unless you're thinking of the youngest DiNunzio or Angelesca's kid. Other "younger" guys that get mentioned from time to time are basically legit union guys like Federico, who makes a great living now backing trucks into parking spots (he doesn't drive the trucks he just comes out and motions for them to back up.)
The other younger guys disputed on here for a decade like Marino and Scarpelli and Costa, even Angelesca are all ghosts and not leading any resurgence. And there are no other younger names to dispute. The guys who owned the businesses are dead or too old and their kids don't play ball. There are some old guys betting still and definitely a few younger guys betting but with all the sportsbooks available here now its hard to find kids to bet underground. It's just the way it went.
You must be around these guys all the time to know all this.
So young Dinunzio is the last ever to be made for the rest of time in New England?
The advent of legal sportsbooks taking over all the action has been greatly exaggerated
Chopper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:30 am
You just know the forum is still alive when there’s a good old Wiseguy vs a random family’s viability discussion going on . Good stuff.
Its funny that clubs Like the HAs and the pagans can set up in a completely new town and in one year have 20 members but places like chicago and boston who have deep Italian roots in the city for decades struggle to get over 30 made guys
Eddie mush wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:05 am
I can tell you this I grew up in East Boston in the 70 thru the 90’s and no one has a better handle on Boston than TJ but he Dosent post anymore cause he was sick of being told he was wrong by dickheads like wiseguy .
When I post a question I want answers from people like cheech, tj , njshore4life not some asshole in the middle of now where telling me his opinoin when he wouldn’t know the diffrence btween a wiseguy and a Boy Scout
Eddie
thx eddie, someone has some common sense. reading fbi reports is a great source of info LOOLOLOL
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. Good stuff.