How long was Merlino a made man before he took over the family via Natale?

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How long was Merlino a made man before he took over the family via Natale?

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They were at war with Stanfa before anyone in that crew was actually made, right? I wonder what their plan was had they been successful in getting rid of Stanfa.

Anyway, who gave Natale his button? Merlino? Wouldn’t that mean he was the boss already? And then he installed Natale as a front boss?

That whole era is very whacky (pun somewhat intended) and confusing.
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Lefty Ruggiero wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:58 pm They were at war with Stanfa before anyone in that crew was actually made, right? I wonder what their plan was had they been successful in getting rid of Stanfa.

Anyway, who gave Natale his button? Merlino? Wouldn’t that mean he was the boss already? And then he installed Natale as a front boss?

That whole era is very whacky (pun somewhat intended) and confusing.
Stanfa made Merlino thinking it would stop the war
Merlino and I think one other person…? Borgesi?? Or one of the changs maybe?

Didn’t stop the war

Stanfa got locked up which stopped the war between them

Ron Previte switched from Stanfa side to Merlino side already being a FBI informant from beforehand which started the end of the Natale reign

Back up a little- joey was in prison the first time (the aromored heist score) with Ralph Natale.

He gets out and Joey makes Natale - then on the spot- makes Natale boss.


Would be great for joey to go over his book - like how he we secretly made by gambino and Bruno lol
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Joey …. Is the new Gotti
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Merlino was made in 1992 by Stanfa along with Michael Ciancaglini and Biagio Adornetto. So if you go with him taking over when Natale took over it would be in 1994. I think Merlino got out of jail for his parole violation in late 1994 and Natale got out in late 1994. And then Joey Merlino "made" Natale and Natale became "boss".
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Merlino was inducted by Stanfa in September 1992. Then the war broke out in 1993 and Merlino went to prison for violating his parole. By the time he got out in November 1994, the Stanfa faction was all in prison and he and Natale had the backing of the Genovese and Gambino families to take over Philadelphia.

After getting out of prison, while still a soldier, Merlino inducted Natale by the end of 1994. Then, Natale was immediately made the official boss and Merlino the official underboss. He then becomes acting boss in June 1998 when Natale is picked up for his parole violation.

So he becomes the underboss just over two years after being inducted and the acting boss three and a half years after that.
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chin_gigante wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:04 am Merlino was inducted by Stanfa in September 1992. Then the war broke out in 1993 and Merlino went to prison for violating his parole. By the time he got out in November 1994, the Stanfa faction was all in prison and he and Natale had the backing of the Genovese and Gambino families to take over Philadelphia.

After getting out of prison, while still a soldier, Merlino inducted Natale by the end of 1994. Then, Natale was immediately made the official boss and Merlino the official underboss. He then becomes acting boss in June 1998 when Natale is picked up for his parole violation.

So he becomes the underboss just over two years after being inducted and the acting boss three and a half years after that.

WILD - is that the quickest ascension to the top spot that we know of?
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Lefty Ruggiero wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:49 pm
chin_gigante wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:04 am Merlino was inducted by Stanfa in September 1992. Then the war broke out in 1993 and Merlino went to prison for violating his parole. By the time he got out in November 1994, the Stanfa faction was all in prison and he and Natale had the backing of the Genovese and Gambino families to take over Philadelphia.

After getting out of prison, while still a soldier, Merlino inducted Natale by the end of 1994. Then, Natale was immediately made the official boss and Merlino the official underboss. He then becomes acting boss in June 1998 when Natale is picked up for his parole violation.

So he becomes the underboss just over two years after being inducted and the acting boss three and a half years after that.

WILD - is that the quickest ascension to the top spot that we know of?

Well…. It was instant ascension …. So idk how someone can beat that
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Lefty Ruggiero wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:58 pm They were at war with Stanfa before anyone in that crew was actually made, right? I wonder what their plan was had they been successful in getting rid of Stanfa.

Anyway, who gave Natale his button? Merlino? Wouldn’t that mean he was the boss already? And then he installed Natale as a front boss?

That whole era is very whacky (pun somewhat intended) and confusing.
Stanfa made Merlino and Michael to bridge the gap before the war really went on. Does anyone know Where and who was at that Making ceremony?? I don’t recall if that info ever came out.....
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JeremyTheJew wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:15 pm
Lefty Ruggiero wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:58 pm They were at war with Stanfa before anyone in that crew was actually made, right? I wonder what their plan was had they been successful in getting rid of Stanfa.

Anyway, who gave Natale his button? Merlino? Wouldn’t that mean he was the boss already? And then he installed Natale as a front boss?

That whole era is very whacky (pun somewhat intended) and confusing.
Stanfa made Merlino thinking it would stop the war
Merlino and I think one other person…? Borgesi?? Or one of the changs maybe?

Didn’t stop the war

Stanfa got locked up which stopped the war between them

Ron Previte switched from Stanfa side to Merlino side already being a FBI informant from beforehand which started the end of the Natale reign

Back up a little- joey was in prison the first time (the aromored heist score) with Ralph Natale.

He gets out and Joey makes Natale - then on the spot- makes Natale boss.


Would be great for joey to go over his book - like how he we secretly made by gambino and Bruno lol
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JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:13 pm Well…. It was instant ascension …. So idk how someone can beat that
It would have been great to see Scarfo Sr face when he heard about that!
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johnny_scootch wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:55 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:13 pm Well…. It was instant ascension …. So idk how someone can beat that
It would have been great to see Scarfo Sr face when he heard about that!
Surprised NY still backed him hearing the same thing!
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How many made guys were on the street when Stanfa got arrested?
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A old mike scars interview he said gotti Sr and the other gambino bosses didn't recognize Philly or merlino or some combo because it came out they inducted a cop. Ron previte
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Pmac2 wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:15 am A old mike scars interview he said gotti Sr and the other gambino bosses didn't recognize Philly or merlino or some combo because it came out they inducted a cop. Ron previte
Gotti put out the order to stop recognising the Philadelphia family while Stanfa was boss. They later recognised them again.
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chin_gigante wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:04 am Merlino was inducted by Stanfa in September 1992. Then the war broke out in 1993 and Merlino went to prison for violating his parole. By the time he got out in November 1994, the Stanfa faction was all in prison and he and Natale had the backing of the Genovese and Gambino families to take over Philadelphia.

After getting out of prison, while still a soldier, Merlino inducted Natale by the end of 1994. Then, Natale was immediately made the official boss and Merlino the official underboss. He then becomes acting boss in June 1998 when Natale is picked up for his parole violation.

So he becomes the underboss just over two years after being inducted and the acting boss three and a half years after that.
How was Merlino allowed to run a ceremony by just being a soldier?

I thought only Captains & higher ups can do ceremonies.
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