CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:33 pm
You think it's Santapaolo? Or the Carratessi? Is that the nickname for the Capello- Bonaccorsi? Or is it one of the independents? OR.... is it the cartel itself? They tried to establish an " office" so to speak in Catania.....
There is no way its the cartel without local mafia families , you can't do that there , Spain is very different than Sicily/South Italy.
For one... supply has nothing to do with distribution. They arnt going to Europe to distribute, just like Gugliotti didn't go to NY to distribute.
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:41 pm
For one... supply has nothing to do with distribution. They arnt going to Europe to distribute, just like Gugliotti didn't go to NY to distribute.
I wrote about this in "News from Italy" where this was originally posted, this one was Sinaloa but with backing of local crime families. Cocaine was to be bought by local families. Spain is very different from South Italy ,they don't have organized crime groups that have level of control like groups in South Italy, its absurd to think anyone would move half a ton of cocaine in Italy without working with local mafia, pretty much same in Russia,Albania or any other country that have powerful domestic organized crime group. But i think even in Spain they make partnership with local powerful groups,as article suggests: "Mafia involvement made sense. Sinaloa is known to forge partnerships with existing organizations, rather than trying to steamroll its way into new markets."
As for supply,they supply half of Europe i think, not Sinaloa but all Mexican cartels, i think Mexican and Colombian cartels supply more than 50% of cocaine in Europe. But when it comes to huge quantities,it is already pre-arranged to be bought by local groups.
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:41 pm
For one... supply has nothing to do with distribution. They arnt going to Europe to distribute, just like Gugliotti didn't go to NY to distribute.
I wrote about this in "News from Italy" where this was originally posted, this one was Sinaloa but with backing of local crime families. Cocaine was to be bought by local families. Spain is very different from South Italy ,they don't have organized crime groups that have level of control like groups in South Italy, its absurd to think anyone would move half a ton of cocaine in Italy without working with local mafia, pretty much same in Russia,Albania or any other country that have powerful domestic organized crime group. But i think even in Spain they make partnership with local powerful groups,as article suggests: "Mafia involvement made sense. Sinaloa is known to forge partnerships with existing organizations, rather than trying to steamroll its way into new markets."
Bro... what do you mean? The article says Ndrangheta and a Chinese gang. Whst exactly did I miss?
From the article..... On arrival in Italy, the drugs would be sold to the Calabrian mafia, the ’Ndrangheta, which is widely considered to be Europe’s most powerful cocaine distributor. Mafia involvement made sense. Sinaloa is known to forge partnerships with existing organizations, rather than trying to steamroll its way into new markets.
It gets tiresome.... like this is common sense. Everyone who follows this stuff knows Sinaloa isn't going to send 500 Mexicans and a bazooka to take over Sicily....
Why must this always be explained?
Like..... I already explained they would operate like Guliotti did in Queens. JUST SUPPLY, NO DISTRO. No NOISE, as little violence as possible, keep the money and product moving......
Why do you assume, THAT I WOULD THINK... they won't sell cocaine to the locals?
The question is WHAT LOCALS?
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Equally fascinating were the intended recipients of the Sinaloa Cartel’s cocaine run through Catania: yes, the ‘Ndrangheta for its distribution in Western Europe, but also a Chinese criminal group. As I explored in the second column in this series, the Sinaloa Cartel had long cooperated with the triads in trying to build up a growing Chinese and Asian cocaine market.
In about 2015, the Sinaloa Cartel made a radical change in its Asia-Pacific foreign policy. For the set of reasons I had previously detailed, it decided not just to use the Asia-Pacific area for procuring meth and synthetic opioid precursors and developing cocaine markets, but also to begin supplying meth to the Asia-Pacific region, thus threatening the triads’ crystal meth empire there.
So what's the deal exactly? Where did you get confirmation it was the Catania gangs?
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:34 am
From another article here...
Equally fascinating were the intended recipients of the Sinaloa Cartel’s cocaine run through Catania: yes, the ‘Ndrangheta for its distribution in Western Europe, but also a Chinese criminal group. As I explored in the second column in this series, the Sinaloa Cartel had long cooperated with the triads in trying to build up a growing Chinese and Asian cocaine market.
In about 2015, the Sinaloa Cartel made a radical change in its Asia-Pacific foreign policy. For the set of reasons I had previously detailed, it decided not just to use the Asia-Pacific area for procuring meth and synthetic opioid precursors and developing cocaine markets, but also to begin supplying meth to the Asia-Pacific region, thus threatening the triads’ crystal meth empire there.
So what's the deal exactly? Where did you get confirmation it was the Catania gangs?
yes, in that case the emissaries of the Sinaloa cartel had an agreement with Mario Da Fiume, a broker linked to the Ndrangheta, but in the last case of the two tons I think the clans of Catania are involved...previously there had been other seizures in Catania, such as 110 kilos a few months ago, very unlikely that the local clans are still not involved given how entenched they are in the territory
While it might not be what it was at its peak 10-15 years ago, the Sinaloa Cartel is still a major force. They are responsible for maybe my favorite narco/organized crime story ever. Like 6-7 years ago they were shipping 20,000 kilos to Canada. The captain of the ship thought that US customs and the Coast Guard was closing in on them. So he hit a button that opened a trap door in the ship and dropped all 20,000 bricks to the bottom of the ocean. But the captain was just high off coke and paranoid for no reason…there was no law enforcement in the area. He flushed a $200M+ shipment to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
Well El Mayo contracted out a team of divers that spent a full 12 months looking for the lost work. They eventually retrieved every single kilo, put them on another ship, and sent them to Vancouver where they were eventually sold. They had been packaged so professionally that not a single one was ruined and got wet. Pretty freaking incredible.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:32 pm
While it might not be what it was at its peak 10-15 years ago, the Sinaloa Cartel is still a major force. They are responsible for maybe my favorite narco/organized crime story ever. Like 6-7 years ago they were shipping 20,000 kilos to Canada. The captain of the ship thought that US customs and the Coast Guard was closing in on them. So he hit a button that opened a trap door in the ship and dropped all 20,000 bricks to the bottom of the ocean. But the captain was just high off coke and paranoid for no reason…there was no law enforcement in the area. He flushed a $200M+ shipment to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
Well El Mayo contracted out a team of divers that spent a full 12 months looking for the lost work. They eventually retrieved every single kilo, put them on another ship, and sent them to Vancouver where they were eventually sold. They had been packaged so professionally that not a single one was ruined and got wet. Pretty freaking incredible.
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:32 pm
While it might not be what it was at its peak 10-15 years ago, the Sinaloa Cartel is still a major force. They are responsible for maybe my favorite narco/organized crime story ever. Like 6-7 years ago they were shipping 20,000 kilos to Canada. The captain of the ship thought that US customs and the Coast Guard was closing in on them. So he hit a button that opened a trap door in the ship and dropped all 20,000 bricks to the bottom of the ocean. But the captain was just high off coke and paranoid for no reason…there was no law enforcement in the area. He flushed a $200M+ shipment to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
Well El Mayo contracted out a team of divers that spent a full 12 months looking for the lost work. They eventually retrieved every single kilo, put them on another ship, and sent them to Vancouver where they were eventually sold. They had been packaged so professionally that not a single one was ruined and got wet. Pretty freaking incredible.
where did you read that?
It came out in one of the trials of a high ranking Sinaloa member. There were a bunch of articles about it.
