D’Arco info

[johnny_scootch]

Was Ida in the "inner Chin circle"? Didn't Chin not really care for that other Little Italy crew , DeFeo, Inanello, etc.

Seems like Chin didn't trust Ida and that's why he put Nick Frustaci in his crew to watch over him.

[DonPeppino386]

Wiseguy:
Some of those points stood out to me as well. I think D’Arco was likely close with and friendly with Jimmy Ida who was from little Italy. And it seems likely that Ida had issues with Bellomo even before the issues that arose during their case. If I recall right, didn’t it come out at one point that Ida was planning to kill Bellomo? So maybe that feud developed on the streets.

Just a heads up that if you wouldn't mind uploading this to the FBI files section it would be greatly appreciated. 302s are the gold standard of FBI docs and not always easy to find.

I second this. Would really like to comb through the 302s

[SonnyBlackstein]

I’m sure it counts for something but it’s not like a union job where seniority rules no matter what. From all available info it seems like Chin personally anointed Barney so that factor might have overruled Ida’s seniority.

Agree. Barney's 'charisma', natural 'gangsterism', affinity for the life, chins word etc are all factors.

But seniority does count. It's why when a boss dies, the future boss is appointed from the administration or the Captains, not the soldiers.

Ida was clearly made for the life, refused to take a plea, serving life, was consigliere. Clearly a powerhouse in his own right.

Barney would have needed significant support, which perhaps he had, from a large, if not majority of the Captains to outweigh Ida if Ida had pushed for it.

We know Vhin loved Barney, but was this universal among the Capos as well. And loved enough to outpower a much more senior figure.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Was Ida in the "inner Chin circle"? Didn't Chin not really care for that other Little Italy crew , DeFeo, Inanello, etc.

Seems like Chin didn't trust Ida and that's why he put Nick Frustaci in his crew to watch over him.

Chin didn't trust Ida??

Yet made him consig. Ok.

[SonnyBlackstein]

If Chin didn't trust Ida, he'd have been found in a trunk.

[johnny_scootch]

Chin didn't trust Ida??

Yet made him consig. Ok.

6) Nicky the Blond Frustaci was placed with Jimmy Ida to watch him for Vincent Gigante. Frustaci has discussed that with D'Arco, "Vinny put me to watch Jimmy Ida. That's my job."

What do you make of that?

[SonnyBlackstein]

6) Nicky the Blond Frustaci was placed with Jimmy Ida to watch him for Vincent Gigante. Frustaci has discussed that with D'Arco, "Vinny put me to watch Jimmy Ida. That's my job."

What do you make of that?

Consigs don't have crews.
I assume this was when Ida was a Capo?

And if this was the timeline then clearly Chin did trust him as he was upped to consig.

How'd I do?

[Pmac2]

Think the consig has one soldier who is direct with him. Christy tic had gas pipe. There's a few other examples can't remember. But for the boss to choose the consig guy is interesting. I'm sure they were close anyway.

[axx]

Whacking a stand-up guy - no bueno. Doesn't ring well on the street, basically you're sending out message that anyone is expendable. Also Chin may have been slick but he doesn't strike me as a Casso-psycho type to get rid of anyone with the slightest sign of ambition. Guys like Ida - you need them near you. Assign him a role to partly satisfy his ambition, make good use of a capable guy and "have your enemies closer".

[SonnyBlackstein]

Whacking a stand-up guy - no bueno. Doesn't ring well on the street, basically you're sending out message that anyone is expendable. Also Chin may have been slick but he doesn't strike me as a Casso-psycho type to get rid of anyone with the slightest sign of ambition. Guys like Ida - you need them near you. Assign him a role to partly satisfy his ambition, make good use of a capable guy and "have your enemies closer".

We don't break our capos, we kill them.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Think the consig has one soldier who is direct with him. Christy tic had gas pipe. There's a few other examples can't remember. But for the boss to choose the consig guy is interesting. I'm sure they were close anyway.

Had forgotten this.

Was this the case with Frustaci?

[axx]

Whacking a stand-up guy - no bueno. Doesn't ring well on the street, basically you're sending out message that anyone is expendable. Also Chin may have been slick but he doesn't strike me as a Casso-psycho type to get rid of anyone with the slightest sign of ambition. Guys like Ida - you need them near you. Assign him a role to partly satisfy his ambition, make good use of a capable guy and "have your enemies closer".

We don't break our capos, we kill them.

Yet he wasn't killed. Even though Chin didn't trust him. Does that quote make sense?

[johnny_scootch]

6) Nicky the Blond Frustaci was placed with Jimmy Ida to watch him for Vincent Gigante. Frustaci has discussed that with D'Arco, "Vinny put me to watch Jimmy Ida. That's my job."

What do you make of that?

Consigs don't have crews.
I assume this was when Ida was a Capo?

And if this was the timeline then clearly Chin did trust him as he was upped to consig.

How'd I do?

Sonny you’re just making an assumption of a promotion that’s all. You could be right but you could also be wrong. I lean the other way based off info that Chin was placing people in his crew to watch over him while he was a captain, the inference being he didn’t fully trust Ida. The Persicos made Wild Bill the Underboss you think it’s because they really really trusted him?

You’re speculating like the rest of us that’s how you did.

[Frank]

Ida could have been voted in as Consiglieri

[Frank]

And hundreds of guys had more seniority to Barney in that time period