How is active the DeCavalcante family?

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Pmac2 wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pm I'm guessing they have the largest recruit pool of any mob family with the whole state of New Jersey and only what max 50 slots to fill. I strongly believe there probably very active but not nearly as powerful as they where 20 years ago
No they don't. The five families do more business in Jersey than even the Decavalcantes.
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I don’t think it can be said that the DeCavalcantes have a larger recruitment pool than any of the 5 families but there is certainly no shortage of Italians in New Jersey.
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Weren't they estimated to have fifty members and fifty associates at one point?
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johnny_scootch wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:31 pm I don’t think it can be said that the DeCavalcantes have a larger recruitment pool than any of the 5 families but there is certainly no shortage of Italians in New Jersey.
That are now living in the suburbs and not the inner city.
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TallGuy19 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:04 pm Weren't they estimated to have fifty members and fifty associates at one point?
In a 2004 crime report on crime in New Jersey are listed 40 made men in and out of prison and 50 associates.
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furiofromnaples wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:35 am
TallGuy19 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:04 pm Weren't they estimated to have fifty members and fifty associates at one point?
In a 2004 crime report on crime in New Jersey are listed 40 made men in and out of prison and 50 associates.
Are there any current estimates of associates?
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TallGuy19 wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:39 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:35 am
TallGuy19 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:04 pm Weren't they estimated to have fifty members and fifty associates at one point?
In a 2004 crime report on crime in New Jersey are listed 40 made men in and out of prison and 50 associates.
Are there any current estimates of associates?
I'd say your average made guy has 2-3 officially on record associates. And then infinity hanger on type of associates.
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The DeCavalcantes were like the Sicilian mafia in that they had a very low number of official associates per member. Outside of the Brooklyn-Staten Island group I don't think the Jersey or Manhattan-Queens guys really had full-on crews of associates like we see in other Families outside of male relatives. Sam DeCavalcante had a lot of associates around him but it's kind of murky because you have guys like Bernie Furst who was treated "like a member" of the DeCavs but was actually a Genovese associate who helped run Sam's businesses.
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There are some guys like Fat Andy and Bruno Facciolo who had 10,15 even 20+ associates. Not sure if there are any guys like them out there today but in the heyday if you had the charisma and money making ability like they had you could rack up a quite large number of guys under you.
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johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:28 pm There are some guys like Fat Andy and Bruno Facciolo who had 10,15 even 20+ associates. Not sure if there are any guys like them out there today but in the heyday if you had the charisma and money making ability like they had you could rack up a quite large number of guys under you.
Gene Borrello said that when he was proposed he had about twenty guys he was eventually going to put on record.
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TallGuy19 wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:52 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:28 pm There are some guys like Fat Andy and Bruno Facciolo who had 10,15 even 20+ associates. Not sure if there are any guys like them out there today but in the heyday if you had the charisma and money making ability like they had you could rack up a quite large number of guys under you.
Gene Borrello said that when he was proposed he had about twenty guys he was eventually going to put on record.
I thought he said he told Ronnie he had 4 guys he wanted to put on record and John Gotti's grandson was one of them.
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aray22 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:32 am
TallGuy19 wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:52 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:28 pm There are some guys like Fat Andy and Bruno Facciolo who had 10,15 even 20+ associates. Not sure if there are any guys like them out there today but in the heyday if you had the charisma and money making ability like they had you could rack up a quite large number of guys under you.
Gene Borrello said that when he was proposed he had about twenty guys he was eventually going to put on record.
I thought he said he told Ronnie he had 4 guys he wanted to put on record and John Gotti's grandson was one of them.
There were four people he wanted to put on record as soon as he got made, but there were about twenty people he was eventually going to add to his crew.
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aray22 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:32 amI thought he said he told Ronnie he had 4 guys he wanted to put on record and John Gotti's grandson was one of them.
Gene clearly recruiting only the best and brightest.
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B. wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:19 pm The DeCavalcantes were like the Sicilian mafia in that they had a very low number of official associates per member. Outside of the Brooklyn-Staten Island group I don't think the Jersey or Manhattan-Queens guys really had full-on crews of associates like we see in other Families outside of male relatives. Sam DeCavalcante had a lot of associates around him but it's kind of murky because you have guys like Bernie Furst who was treated "like a member" of the DeCavs but was actually a Genovese associate who helped run Sam's businesses.
Also, John Riggi’s son-in-law Sean Richard. He was very connected for being only an associate, right?
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