List of known / confirmed rats as of 1963?

[Nasabeak]

Hey all, question

What is the full of rats from each NY family that we know for a fact were rats as of 1963? Only names I have off the top of my head are Scarpa, Santantonio, Tony Anastasio….who else? Lombardozzi I don’t think started squeaking until 1968?

[Pogo The Clown]

Joe Valachi


Pogo

[Antiliar]

Yes, Greg Scarpa, Alfredo Santantonio, Tony Anastasio, Joe Valachi, but also Pete LaTempa, Ernest Rupolo, Nicola Gentile, Salvatore Clemente, Dr. Joseph Romano, Chester LaMare, Joseph Tocco, Eugene Giannini, Bartolo Fontana, and Dominick "the Gap" Petrelli, Salvatore "Dago Louie" Piscopo, and I'm sure many others. In Sicily I can think of Francesco Siino and Dr. Melchiorre Allegra, but there were others.

[Ivan]

We had a thread on this a while back, might be of interest Nasabeak.

https://theblackhand.club/forum/viewtop ... =29&t=4556

[Sullycantwell]

Yes, Greg Scarpa, Alfredo Santantonio, Tony Anastasio, Joe Valachi, but also Pete LaTempa, Ernest Rupolo, Nicola Gentile, Salvatore Clemente, Dr. Joseph Romano, Chester LaMare, Joseph Tocco, Eugene Giannini, Bartolo Fontana, and Dominick "the Gap" Petrelli, Salvatore "Dago Louie" Piscopo, and I'm sure many others. In Sicily I can think of Francesco Siino and Dr. Melchiorre Allegra, but there were others.

did Bartolo Fantana claim to be made? is there a link or anything to his actual testimony?

[JoePuzzles234]

Paul Antinori, who was seemingly a Tampa member, may have been an informant before his death in 1963.

I've got a very limited understanding of FBI files and all that but it seems to me that he was source "TP 22-C", IDing several members and discussing individuals who LE thought were connected to the mob:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 295460.pdf

[sdeitche]

Paul Antinori, who was seemingly a Tampa member, may have been an informant before his death in 1963.

I've got a very limited understanding of FBI files and all that but it seems to me that he was source "TP 22-C", IDing several members and discussing individuals who LE thought were connected to the mob:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 295460.pdf

Nice find. Though Paul had been out of the rackets for some time, following his conviction on narcotics charges, he definitely had the intel on the makeup of the organization in the 30s and 40.

I would guarantee the choice to furnish information to law enforcement came after his brother Joe was killed in Nov 1953, by the Trafficantes.

[JoePuzzles234]

Paul Antinori, who was seemingly a Tampa member, may have been an informant before his death in 1963.

I've got a very limited understanding of FBI files and all that but it seems to me that he was source "TP 22-C", IDing several members and discussing individuals who LE thought were connected to the mob:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 295460.pdf

Nice find. Though Paul had been out of the rackets for some time, following his conviction on narcotics charges, he definitely had the intel on the makeup of the organization in the 30s and 40.

I would guarantee the choice to furnish information to law enforcement came after his brother Joe was killed in Nov 1953, by the Trafficantes.

Thank you. In Cigar City City Mafia, he's listed as a bolita rackets figure and Ignazio's son - would you be able to clarify if he was a made member?

Some sources list him as an associate while others say he was a soldier

[Antiliar]

Yes, Greg Scarpa, Alfredo Santantonio, Tony Anastasio, Joe Valachi, but also Pete LaTempa, Ernest Rupolo, Nicola Gentile, Salvatore Clemente, Dr. Joseph Romano, Chester LaMare, Joseph Tocco, Eugene Giannini, Bartolo Fontana, and Dominick "the Gap" Petrelli, Salvatore "Dago Louie" Piscopo, and I'm sure many others. In Sicily I can think of Francesco Siino and Dr. Melchiorre Allegra, but there were others.

did Bartolo Fantana claim to be made? is there a link or anything to his actual testimony?

None of the Good Killers claimed to be made. It was 1921 and nobody in law enforcement was aware of what it meant to be made and no one asked. My guess is that he was an associate who was on his way to getting made until he started talking. But it's possible that he was made. We tried getting the court trial transcripts years ago but they couldn't be located and may have been destroyed.

[davidf1989]

How about the Flemmi brothers Stevie and Jimmy from Boston? Do they count.

Also Nicola Gentile according to this article below.

http://www.writersofwrongs.com/2017/02/ ... usive.html

[Guest]

Paul Antinori, who was seemingly a Tampa member, may have been an informant before his death in 1963.

I've got a very limited understanding of FBI files and all that but it seems to me that he was source "TP 22-C", IDing several members and discussing individuals who LE thought were connected to the mob:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 295460.pdf

Nice find. Though Paul had been out of the rackets for some time, following his conviction on narcotics charges, he definitely had the intel on the makeup of the organization in the 30s and 40.

I would guarantee the choice to furnish information to law enforcement came after his brother Joe was killed in Nov 1953, by the Trafficantes.

Thank you. In Cigar City City Mafia, he's listed as a bolita rackets figure and Ignazio's son - would you be able to clarify if he was a made member?

Some sources list him as an associate while others say he was a soldier

It's extremely difficult to say who was 'made' in Tampa pre-1960s. even then, there are gaps. My best guess would be yes, due to the fact his Dad was the boss and him and his brother were so tightly involved in the mob-run narcotics operations with the Kansas City family. However, he also retired from everything after his brother was killed and lived out his life legit. I've spoken with one of his sons, and the other Paul Jr was a long-time Hillsborough state attorney then private practice. Both of whom had nothignwhatsoever to do with OC.

[JoePuzzles234]

Paul Antinori, who was seemingly a Tampa member, may have been an informant before his death in 1963.

I've got a very limited understanding of FBI files and all that but it seems to me that he was source "TP 22-C", IDing several members and discussing individuals who LE thought were connected to the mob:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 295460.pdf

Nice find. Though Paul had been out of the rackets for some time, following his conviction on narcotics charges, he definitely had the intel on the makeup of the organization in the 30s and 40.

I would guarantee the choice to furnish information to law enforcement came after his brother Joe was killed in Nov 1953, by the Trafficantes.

Thank you. In Cigar City City Mafia, he's listed as a bolita rackets figure and Ignazio's son - would you be able to clarify if he was a made member?

Some sources list him as an associate while others say he was a soldier

It's extremely difficult to say who was 'made' in Tampa pre-1960s. even then, there are gaps. My best guess would be yes, due to the fact his Dad was the boss and him and his brother were so tightly involved in the mob-run narcotics operations with the Kansas City family. However, he also retired from everything after his brother was killed and lived out his life legit. I've spoken with one of his sons, and the other Paul Jr was a long-time Hillsborough state attorney then private practice. Both of whom had nothignwhatsoever to do with OC.

Thanks for the info, I had always wondered about his membership status.

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