Because it's in an indictment, you dismiss the possibility of prevarication.How are you assuming the veracity of this claim!??Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:16 am It was mentioned in the Ralph DeLeo indictment. Carmine was Official Boss, Allie Boy was Acting Boss and DeLeo was the Street Boss. Despite his incarceration Little Allie Boy continued to function as the Boss by passing on orders while his father kept the title and DeLeo ran things on the street.
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I'd bet anything Michael Persico was made right before he did that bit...gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:20 pmThanks Chin.chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:11 pmIt would seem that Russo took over as official after Persico's death. There was a meeting in a restaurant in Brooklyn in 2020 where it was decided that Russo would "continue to serve as family boss", and that then Teddy Persico would take over as boss after Russo and after he (Persico) got off supervised release.
Then in April 2021, Vincent Ricciardo told Andrew Koslosky that Teddy Persico had the authority to tell Benjamin Castellazzo what to do and had "the last word" in the family. The government has described Teddy Persico's status at that time as a captain without a crew. So despite Russo being the official boss, Teddy Persico was already the de facto boss. We also know by that point Russo's health was deteriorating as well as his memory.
Leadership in the Colombos since the Third Colombo War seems to be a lot more ceremonial than other families. DeLeo's leadership is an obvious example, not to mention Carmine Sessa's puppet role as consigliere, Maragni performing roles as a 'captain' before his indictment, Michael Persico's high-level role in the family as an associate. Plus, Gioeli was essentially serving as "street boss" long before his formal promotion in '03/'04.
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Re: Carmine and Allie Boy Persico
CornerBoy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:27 amBecause it's in an indictment, you dismiss the possibility of prevarication.How are you assuming the veracity of this claim!??Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:16 am It was mentioned in the Ralph DeLeo indictment. Carmine was Official Boss, Allie Boy was Acting Boss and DeLeo was the Street Boss. Despite his incarceration Little Allie Boy continued to function as the Boss by passing on orders while his father kept the title and DeLeo ran things on the street.
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Perhaps, but if his non-made status was an issue before I doubt it's an issue now.Browniety86 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:56 amI'd bet anything Michael Persico was made right before he did that bit...gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:20 pmThanks Chin.chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:11 pmIt would seem that Russo took over as official after Persico's death. There was a meeting in a restaurant in Brooklyn in 2020 where it was decided that Russo would "continue to serve as family boss", and that then Teddy Persico would take over as boss after Russo and after he (Persico) got off supervised release.
Then in April 2021, Vincent Ricciardo told Andrew Koslosky that Teddy Persico had the authority to tell Benjamin Castellazzo what to do and had "the last word" in the family. The government has described Teddy Persico's status at that time as a captain without a crew. So despite Russo being the official boss, Teddy Persico was already the de facto boss. We also know by that point Russo's health was deteriorating as well as his memory.
Leadership in the Colombos since the Third Colombo War seems to be a lot more ceremonial than other families. DeLeo's leadership is an obvious example, not to mention Carmine Sessa's puppet role as consigliere, Maragni performing roles as a 'captain' before his indictment, Michael Persico's high-level role in the family as an associate. Plus, Gioeli was essentially serving as "street boss" long before his formal promotion in '03/'04.
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Allie Persico was making administrative decisions from prison.
Michael Persico is a strange one, as Scarpa reported that he'd been made then verified it a second time to the FBI. However the guys like Russo were close to him and said he wasn't. Russo also said Michael was the only one with access to members Staluppi / Rosatti and shared other info that show he was basically treated like an important member.
Only thing I can figure is they made Michael Persico and deliberately kept it a secret all these years or Scarpa was somehow mistaken. If he was made it's strange it didn't come out. Obviously he didn't shy away from the life and was involved in murders and helping direct the Family, so not sure what the incentive would be not to make him given they made so many other relatives. Both of his fathers-in-law were made members in the Colombo and Gambino Families.
Michael Persico is a strange one, as Scarpa reported that he'd been made then verified it a second time to the FBI. However the guys like Russo were close to him and said he wasn't. Russo also said Michael was the only one with access to members Staluppi / Rosatti and shared other info that show he was basically treated like an important member.
Only thing I can figure is they made Michael Persico and deliberately kept it a secret all these years or Scarpa was somehow mistaken. If he was made it's strange it didn't come out. Obviously he didn't shy away from the life and was involved in murders and helping direct the Family, so not sure what the incentive would be not to make him given they made so many other relatives. Both of his fathers-in-law were made members in the Colombo and Gambino Families.
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I initially wrote this post to respond to CornerBoy's question on what evidence we have that Allie was acting boss while DeLeo was street boss. I went off topic a bit but this is my attempt to briefly analyze DeLeo's role as street boss in contrast with Allie's role, in prison, as acting boss.
We know that DeLeo wasn't making decisions on his own as street boss because he didn't really know anyone in the family aside from Allie Persico and Mike Ferrara. He only went to New York as street boss once, to perform an induction ceremony which he didn't organize, inducting men that he didn't know. He also met with Colombo soldier Reynold Maragni in Florida, but that was apparently to facilitate cross-country drug deals. He may have also been conducting some family business, as Maragni was Allie Persico's point-of-contact for the Colombos operating in Florida, but that's still speculation. There was a lot of administrative changes in the Florida crew from '08-'11 as Maragni sought to organize all the Florida-based soldiers under one roof.
We also know that DeLeo didn't actually know many Mafia terms and customs until he went to New York; he discussed the norms and customs associated with the Mafia in taped phone conversations with his sister.
We also know that while DeLeo held the title of 'street boss' living in Somerville, Michael Persico (an associate and brother of Allie Persico) was actively engaged trying to propose members for induction (i.e. Anthony Russo and Francis Guerra), handle sit-downs and disputes (the Spata gambling disputes, for example).
Lastly, when Maragni and DeLeo were setting up a cross-country marijuana distribution scheme, it was Maragni who asked Michael Persico for permission, given the Colombo family's perceived stance against drugs. He didn't ask DeLeo for 'family' permission. He met with M. Persico, after meeting with DeLeo, to ask express permission to deal drugs. That, to me, is one of the clearest pieces of evidence that DeLeo's function as 'street boss' was purely ceremonial.
Here is Scott Curtis' testimony at Andrew Russo's 2011 detention hearing on the definition of street boss:
The official boss of the Colombo family is still Carmine Persico but he’s in prison for 100-year sentence. His son Alphonse Persico was designated as the acting boss for his father. He is now in prison for life. Therefore, they need a boss that’s not incarcerated and has the ability to interact with not only the Colombo family but with other families to mediate disputes and run the family. That individual in March of 2010 was designated as Andrew Russo at that point.
Curtis further clarified that Persico remained the acting boss today (i.e. Jan. 20, 2011). When asked if the street boss earned money or tribute from his role, prosecutor Elizabeth Geddes told the court; "Unfortunately, most of the time he doesn’t."
We know that DeLeo wasn't making decisions on his own as street boss because he didn't really know anyone in the family aside from Allie Persico and Mike Ferrara. He only went to New York as street boss once, to perform an induction ceremony which he didn't organize, inducting men that he didn't know. He also met with Colombo soldier Reynold Maragni in Florida, but that was apparently to facilitate cross-country drug deals. He may have also been conducting some family business, as Maragni was Allie Persico's point-of-contact for the Colombos operating in Florida, but that's still speculation. There was a lot of administrative changes in the Florida crew from '08-'11 as Maragni sought to organize all the Florida-based soldiers under one roof.
We also know that DeLeo didn't actually know many Mafia terms and customs until he went to New York; he discussed the norms and customs associated with the Mafia in taped phone conversations with his sister.
We also know that while DeLeo held the title of 'street boss' living in Somerville, Michael Persico (an associate and brother of Allie Persico) was actively engaged trying to propose members for induction (i.e. Anthony Russo and Francis Guerra), handle sit-downs and disputes (the Spata gambling disputes, for example).
Lastly, when Maragni and DeLeo were setting up a cross-country marijuana distribution scheme, it was Maragni who asked Michael Persico for permission, given the Colombo family's perceived stance against drugs. He didn't ask DeLeo for 'family' permission. He met with M. Persico, after meeting with DeLeo, to ask express permission to deal drugs. That, to me, is one of the clearest pieces of evidence that DeLeo's function as 'street boss' was purely ceremonial.
Here is Scott Curtis' testimony at Andrew Russo's 2011 detention hearing on the definition of street boss:
The official boss of the Colombo family is still Carmine Persico but he’s in prison for 100-year sentence. His son Alphonse Persico was designated as the acting boss for his father. He is now in prison for life. Therefore, they need a boss that’s not incarcerated and has the ability to interact with not only the Colombo family but with other families to mediate disputes and run the family. That individual in March of 2010 was designated as Andrew Russo at that point.
Curtis further clarified that Persico remained the acting boss today (i.e. Jan. 20, 2011). When asked if the street boss earned money or tribute from his role, prosecutor Elizabeth Geddes told the court; "Unfortunately, most of the time he doesn’t."
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Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:58 amCornerBoy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:27 amBecause it's in an indictment, you dismiss the possibility of prevarication.How are you assuming the veracity of this claim!??Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:16 am It was mentioned in the Ralph DeLeo indictment. Carmine was Official Boss, Allie Boy was Acting Boss and DeLeo was the Street Boss. Despite his incarceration Little Allie Boy continued to function as the Boss by passing on orders while his father kept the title and DeLeo ran things on the street.
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Because unlike you I have an IQ above room temperature.
why question my intelligence? why are you so angry? broke? How much money have you made this year? You're angry, and if you knew you were right you would react calmly and not be harbor such racist beliefs. you don't understand human behavior, clearly. What makes me have a low IQ? b/c i don't blindly adhere to what the govt spoon feeds me? Antillar, B., Christie, Scott (both) and that crew are true intellects and objectively analyze. you just add to lists of people that reside in a place you've probably been to twice in your life. Good luck, work hard and Happy New Year. You and Robert cissell are probably the same person. maybe you just have rich parents that indulge you? LIFE IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL. be happy and accept ppl for who they are! God Bless
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Almost 20 years on the forums and this mongoloid still can't figure out how to use the quote function. 
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Sorry man. im so stupid. Can you operate a Bloomberg Terminal? LOLOLOL
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If you guys want to go back and forth could you move it to the Graveyard? Much appreciated.
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Really that is all on Cornerboy. If you notice every other poster in this threat stated the same thing I did (which was something not even really debatable) but he jumps in out of nowhere and singled me out specifically to bait me because of his weird little fixation for me.
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It’s a subscription data service accessible on any computer vs an actual machine/ terminal. Confusing I know and probably needs a name change lol
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No I know what the terminal is. I was in a finance major in college and had an internship or two before I went back to doing construction (don't ask why) But it's like $2k/month. But it was free at my school and I took the e-,learning courses to get licensed. It's hard to learn if your not computer savvy like myself
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Nice !! construction is the way to go IMO, anyone with a job involving physical labor should do very well income wise with labor shortages. I’m in finance and over supply of labor will prolly be an issue for me lol . I’m eh in computer savvy but good with financial analysis so at least understood the data but I agree with your point.Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:12 amNo I know what the terminal is. I was in a finance major in college and had an internship or two before I went back to doing construction (don't ask why) But it's like $2k/month. But it was free at my school and I took the e-,learning courses to get licensed. It's hard to learn if your not computer savvy like myself
But yeah the cost mostly limit it to Company paid for lol unless you have a lot of personal assets.