Project Otremens Recordings

[nizarsoccer]

Please, let's keep this on topic. Let's keep this on Otremens, Sergi's research/findings around it, and other relevant data points.

[JohnnyS]

As per my email with Anna Sergi - there are two interesting comments.

1. It can be interpreted that all three Caputo siblings are/were made with the Gambino Family. I know there was doubt around Martino's status given his incarceration back in the early 2010s, but she seems to affirm all 3's status

2. Sergi has read about the Lucchese's in a couple of occasions in regards to all the events that unfolded that have been described - but they were too anecdotal to use as concrete evidence. Curious which Lucchese's could be even involved in this situation.

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing this info.

[Cheech]

Please, let's keep this on topic. Let's keep this on Otremens, Sergi's research/findings around it, and other relevant data points.

I bet youre fun at parties

[stubbs]

It’s entirely possible that, while he is the boss of the Buffalo LCN family, that Todaro isn’t involved in any street activity. That he’s more involved from a LCN policy standpoint, etc.

Notice how Ms. Sergi’s report didn’t mention much about the Buffalo family on the US side of the border. She spoke with all of those journalists, FBI agents, Canadian agents, etc. and yet she didn’t include a single fact like, “It is estimated that there are 15 members active in the Buffalo family on the US side if the border.” Nothing. There seemed to be very little info at all around the actual city of Buffalo.

The only thing she mentioned was how there’s some Italian criminals in Buffalo who don’t seem to be involved with LCN at all:

One last example: in Buffalo, today, the historical LCN family does not seem to be active or even connected to the identified criminal activities of other “Italian offenders” in the city.

She could be saying that the made members in the city of Buffalo don’t control all Italian criminals in the city (e.g. they don’t charge them a street tax and/or they all operate independently of LCN). Or, she could be saying that the Buffalo side of the family isn’t really active.

It’s entirely possible that the only active members of the Buffalo family are on the Canadian side of the border. We know that the Violi brothers, the Luppinos, and the Musitanos were/are active, but we still haven’t seen much in terms of street activity on the US side.

Obviously, the members of LCN recognize a family and its members even if they’re not currently active in the streets. And the Buffalo family can still be active in Canada, but that doesn’t mean that they are still active on the streets on the US side.

I’m not saying that there isn’t any LCN activity in the city of Buffalo, but I’m just trying to think about this from multiple different angles.

[NickleCity]

^^^And another thing to think about is the standard of verification that is required to include information in a peer reviewed paper. I believe that standard has a much higher verification threshold than a typical journalist would have for what they can publish.Throw in the fact that some people talked to her anonymously and that the BPD didn’t even answer her request and that could make verification even more difficult-if there was anything to verify about Todaro.

[NickleCity]

^^
And by the way before someone accuses me of insinuating she believes Todaro is criminally active and just couldn’t write about it. I’m not! She may, she may not, or she may not have formed a complete opinion yet. Just throwing out a possibility.

[Newyorkempire]

Define "street activity". No one is on the street corner doing anything. Activity would happen over dinners, at bars, family gatherings, sporting events, stags, strip clubs, etc. etc. "Street" is extremely vague and naiive to assume it happens in open air blocks and alleyways in Buffalo. Same goes for Hamilton. Street activity to me would mean muggings, robberies, corner drug sales, shootings, etc.

[antimafia]

Below are screencaps I took from Stephen Metelsky's Mob Museum presentation that was given on March 20, 2021 -- I started taking screenshots at about the 13:00 mark (https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/o ... d-crime-2/) (YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPpKPlAPts). I'd have to view it again to determine whether Natale or Rocco Luppino or both warned Domenico Violi about Bonanno associate Morena -- one or both uncles thought Morena was a screw; he/they were right about him -- but I'm fairly certain posters here remember which uncle(s) Metelsky mentioned.

[NickleCity]

Interesting too they mention the "no drug dealing" rule as Magaddino outlined that to Sam Pieri on tape in 1963, but of course it gets broken. Curious if Violi's repututation for narcotics trafficking delayed his induction.

There are papers from that time frame and before indicating Magaddino is involved in narcotics, has approved, and takes a cut from the operations involving drugs. I’m assuming his instructions to Pieri are a result of the recent heat those operations had felt?

[Newyorkempire]

Amazing the length of the denial Todaro has gone to in the media. Would have been better off not commenting at all. The denial makes him look worse. Speculation but he would most likely have had someone close to him from the "Buffalo side" at these meetings in Florida.

[Newyorkempire]

Below are screencaps I took from Stephen Metelsky's Mob Museum presentation that was given on March 20, 2021 -- I started taking screenshots at about the 13:00 mark (https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/o ... d-crime-2/) (YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPpKPlAPts). I'd have to view it again to determine whether Natale or Rocco Luppino or both warned Domenico Violi about Bonanno associate Morena -- one or both uncles thought Morena was a screw; he/they were right about him -- but I'm fairly certain posters here remember which uncle(s) Metelsky mentioned.

From "Project Windfall".....the "eagle" has landed? Any ideas?

[Newyorkempire]

Coppola had no idea what the fuck he was talking about and Herbeck is just a parrot for whoever strokes his ego enough and pays him possibly.

[Newyorkempire]

To consider. If Violi did beat out 30 other American candidates.... Let's say it was half of that and he was exaggerating, so 15. Then they would have have to be all made men already to have an underboss position and have to be active.

A made member, on tape, contradicts the theory from some on this board of what is only believed to be "11" old timers playing pinochle in Buffalo because that is their narrative (to further save face from their initial incorrect assumptions) based on either ancient evidence or lack thereof.

[johnny_scootch]

If Violi did beat out 30 other American candidates..

He didn’t say ‘30 American candidates’ he said ‘30 guys’ which sounds like the entirety of the Family not just one side of the border.

[Newyorkempire]

If Violi did beat out 30 other American candidates..

He didn’t say ‘30 American candidates’ he said ‘30 guys’ which sounds like the entirety of the Family not just one side of the border.

It says right on the documents above "30 AMERICAN CANDIDATES". Pay attention.