Visiting New England 1963
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
Nicky Bianco was made in 1963 at a New York ceremony presided over by Patriarca and remained with this Family until 1965 when he transferred to the Colombos. He should be on the list as a NYC-based member.
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
Really? I have him on the Genovese chart. Do you know the status of Salvatore Iacone? Also, would you mind going over the Genovese thread list of members and pick out anything you find questionable? Grazie.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:19 am Angelo "Chester" Iacone was later confirmed to be a NE member.
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Well, we have members of both Gens and Pats in Worcester so that appears to be true. Also, Patriarca was born in Worcester and his family is from Lazio. Re. the Gams, I don't know if they were in Worcester or not but they did have a presence up in CT, we'll find out.PolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:47 amI’m not sure about the affiliations of the Worcester guys that you named here, but the city had both Genovese and New England members. I believe it was Vinny Teresa who claimed that Patriarca said that while Worcester was technically his territory, he shared it out of respect to Vito.
My understanding is that Nick Camerota was a Genovese soldier under Cufari. I’m not aware that the NE outfit had any members based in Springfield, but what do I know. I’ve also never heard of any Gambino presence in Worcester.
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I'm assuming this was prior to 1963 so by this point they would be Gens. So then the question begs do I show transferred members on both charts as former and current or on the family they were part of in 1963 and include an *Transferred from ___.
Aside from that, do we know why the Gens didn't just make these members themselves? It seems like this was a way to "get around" the rules, maybe the books were closed, maybe the Gens wanted to expand. There were caps on families but that doesn't account for transfers. If an entire village were to move to NY and wish to transfer their affiliation to the Gams it would be within protocol to do so despite adding (we'll say) 20 new members that aren't replacing deceased ones.
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
John Nappi was the only Maine-based LCN member that we have. MMCharts has his DOB as 1923 to 2003 but this individual is John Nappi Jr. his father Giovanni "John" born 1896 in Vignola, Napoli, Campania and died in 1967 could very well be him too. Do we have -- just checked the FBI dead list:
"NAPPI JOHN d. approx 1966 per Scarpa LCN." So it was the father and not the son, so Maine might have had an early hub which faded before the 1960's came around. The Nappis appeared to always be Maine-based.
Family is still around. "in 1933, Giovanni (John) Nappi established one of the many distributorships that opened after Prohibition. It was in that organization that Frank Sr., Nick, and Sam Nappi learned about the beverage business."
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"NAPPI JOHN d. approx 1966 per Scarpa LCN." So it was the father and not the son, so Maine might have had an early hub which faded before the 1960's came around. The Nappis appeared to always be Maine-based.
Family is still around. "in 1933, Giovanni (John) Nappi established one of the many distributorships that opened after Prohibition. It was in that organization that Frank Sr., Nick, and Sam Nappi learned about the beverage business."
https://www.nappidistributors.com/about-us/
Re: Visiting New England 1963
I don't think you need to show transfers, as Patriarca indicated he inducted them on behalf of the Genovese Family. They didn't seem to be "true" NE members. Guessing the close relationship allowed Patriarca to stand in on their behalf for ceremonies.
Re: Visiting New England 1963
Though he wasn't identified until 1983, the obscure Aragonese member Salvatore Giglia was likely made by 1963 based on his age:
https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2022/03/sa ... ember.html
https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2022/03/sa ... ember.html
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
As per Pogo, Chester Iacone was ID'd as a NE member, do we have a status/more info on Salvatore Iacone?
35 names out of 42 completed...
3 Calabrians
19 Campanians
4 Lazio
2 Puglia
7 Sicilians
So far, NE is the LEAST Sicilian.
35 names out of 42 completed...
3 Calabrians
19 Campanians
4 Lazio
2 Puglia
7 Sicilians
So far, NE is the LEAST Sicilian.
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
These are the last three guys-
Joseph Anselmo
Joe Burns
10/13/1909 NYC
12 Langely Road, Arlington, MA
Angelo Anselmo (Origin?)
Rosa Lombardo (Origin?)
Mildred Hudson
Operates restaurant in Boston
FBI # 556313; BPD # 28491
Americo Bucci
Pat the Barber
9/10/1907
(POB, Address, Parents, Occupation)
Providence, RI
Antonietta LNU
He arrived in the US in the 50's and there's very little I can find on him
Giuseppe Simonelli
Blondie
7/27/1902 Boston, MA
138 Edmond Ave, Providence, RI
(Parents and their origins)
Josephine LNU
Race Horse Owner
Joseph Anselmo
Joe Burns
10/13/1909 NYC
12 Langely Road, Arlington, MA
Angelo Anselmo (Origin?)
Rosa Lombardo (Origin?)
Mildred Hudson
Operates restaurant in Boston
FBI # 556313; BPD # 28491
Americo Bucci
Pat the Barber
9/10/1907
(POB, Address, Parents, Occupation)
Providence, RI
Antonietta LNU
He arrived in the US in the 50's and there's very little I can find on him
Giuseppe Simonelli
Blondie
7/27/1902 Boston, MA
138 Edmond Ave, Providence, RI
(Parents and their origins)
Josephine LNU
Race Horse Owner
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
So far, NE is confirming my expectations. In the modern era, NE and the Genovese definitely seem to have been the least Sicilian families, though we have yet to dive into Pittsburgh which should also be very interesting.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:54 am As per Pogo, Chester Iacone was ID'd as a NE member, do we have a status/more info on Salvatore Iacone?
35 names out of 42 completed...
3 Calabrians
19 Campanians
4 Lazio
2 Puglia
7 Sicilians
So far, NE is the LEAST Sicilian.
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
We did Pittsburgh. I think I'm missing john cancellieri is all.
Denver too, the Pueblo Sicilians just let it die and the Potentini Smaldones of Denver took over.
NE is very interesting for the large amount of Campanians and Lazio. When did this transformation occur? Guys must have started being brought in very early.
Denver too, the Pueblo Sicilians just let it die and the Potentini Smaldones of Denver took over.
NE is very interesting for the large amount of Campanians and Lazio. When did this transformation occur? Guys must have started being brought in very early.
Re: Visiting New England 1963
I have three I would add to the 1963 list:
Anthony Sandrelli
Gennaro Selvitella
Orlando Napolitano
Anthony Sandrelli
Gennaro Selvitella
Orlando Napolitano
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
I thought Pitt was still a work in progress? At least I don’t recall a formal breakdown of the ancestry of the membership, but maybe you posted it and I forgot.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:11 am We did Pittsburgh. I think I'm missing john cancellieri is all.
Denver too, the Pueblo Sicilians just let it die and the Potentini Smaldones of Denver took over.
NE is very interesting for the large amount of Campanians and Lazio. When did this transformation occur? Guys must have started being brought in very early.
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Re: Visiting New England 1963
Maybe I forgot too. Sorry. Been a busy few weeks. I'm pretty sure most of it is complete except cancelleri