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Re: Visiting the West Side 1963

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Chris Christie wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:55 am
JoelTurner wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:00 pm .
Thank you for all of your input. I went through the thread and tried to input your contributions.

For some of these maybes, we could put them in a suspected member category. If you want, DM me your gmail and I'll link you to the online spreadsheet of this. If you make any changes, just be sure to highlight the box so I see it. I do transfer this document infrequently to Excel where I can filter the information, names- A-Z, specific crew, finished names, unfinished names, it makes it simpler to work on and I wish google docs had that capability.

Question, what captain in 73 headed the Greenwich crew you spoke of.
I’m blanking, when did I mention the Greenwich crew in 1973?
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Not relevant to 1963, but what are people's thoughts on Paul Palmeri's affiliation after he moved to NJ? He lived in Passaic, associated closely with Willie Moretti, and one of his sons married Moretti's daughter. His other son Ernesto Palmeri was identified as a powerful associate close to Gatto, LaPlaca, and Fiumara until his death in the 1990s.

Palmeri had a falling out with the Buffalo Family so in addition to his move he may have transferred membership. He likely started out as a member/associate with the Bonannos in Brooklyn then obviously Buffalo but by the 1940s he seems to have distanced himself from the Castellammarese and threw in with Moretti, living in Genovese territory. Seems he may have been a member under Moretti and then Catena before his 1955 death, especially with his son being a Genovese associate.
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Another member to add is Gaetano "Tommy the Bull" Pennacchio, AKA Thomas Pennachio or Pennochio. Reports from the 1930s called him the head of the Mott Street mob and was associated with Ralph Ligouri. Both of them went to prison when Lucky Luciano did in 1936. He lived from 1891 to 1965. He was a native of Caserta and married to Mary De Bello. I suspect he was a capo, possibly a forerunner of the Pete DeFeo crew.
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JoelTurner wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:58 pm
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm Toddo Del Ducca
Tony Carillo
Frank Celano
Sal Celambrino
Pete Defeo

When Del Ducca died in 1960, Tieri inherited his operations
Celambrino and the Del Ducca-Tieri crews were both based out of Brooklyn. Would that rule them out as Lanza’s captain?
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm If we assume the control of the Fulton Fish Market stayed with the head of the same crew Lanza was in at the time of his death, a plausible timeline goes as follows:

Adonis (1930s-1950s) -> Miranda (1950s) -> Del Ducca (late 1950s-early 1960s) -> Pellegrino/Mogavero (early 1960s-early 1970s)-> Lapi (1970s) ->Gaccione (1980s) -> Gangi (late 1980s-1990s)
I can see Miranda being Lanza’s captain but where does Adonis fit in? Wasn’t he a Brooklyn-New Jersey guy? Did he have any other ties to Lower Manhattan?
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm Neither of them were capos. Fiore was a semi-retired member. Santuccio was a soldier of the Greenwich Village Crew. You can see his mug in this chart I did some time back: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7147&hilit=greenwich+village
That’s a super cool chart, great work!

I knew Bobby Doyle was a member of the Greenwich Village crew; I didn’t think he was a captain.

What crew was Angelo Fiore with?
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Chris Christie wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:01 am
JoelTurner wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:58 pm
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm Toddo Del Ducca
Tony Carillo
Frank Celano
Sal Celambrino
Pete Defeo

When Del Ducca died in 1960, Tieri inherited his operations
Celambrino and the Del Ducca-Tieri crews were both based out of Brooklyn. Would that rule them out as Lanza’s captain?
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm If we assume the control of the Fulton Fish Market stayed with the head of the same crew Lanza was in at the time of his death, a plausible timeline goes as follows:

Adonis (1930s-1950s) -> Miranda (1950s) -> Del Ducca (late 1950s-early 1960s) -> Pellegrino/Mogavero (early 1960s-early 1970s)-> Lapi (1970s) ->Gaccione (1980s) -> Gangi (late 1980s-1990s)
I can see Miranda being Lanza’s captain but where does Adonis fit in? Wasn’t he a Brooklyn-New Jersey guy? Did he have any other ties to Lower Manhattan?
eboli wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:03 pm Neither of them were capos. Fiore was a semi-retired member. Santuccio was a soldier of the Greenwich Village Crew. You can see his mug in this chart I did some time back: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7147&hilit=greenwich+village
That’s a super cool chart, great work!

I knew Bobby Doyle was a member of the Greenwich Village crew; I didn’t think he was a captain.

What crew was Angelo Fiore with?
I got confused because this document(https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... lPageId=70) listed Fiore and Santuccio as possible capos. I think the Greenwich Village would have been headed by Eboli or Gigante in 1973
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NK T-16 identified Ernest Lazzara as a Genovese member in New Jersey.

(https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... lPageId=27)

He was also on the Valachi chart but they weren’t super accurate.
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Robert Nicholas Belangi
Bobby Blanche
2/22/1903
125 Ocean Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Wife: Carmela
Occupied: Lind Motors Inc
Soldier - Alo

Can't find much on the guy. There is a record that matches Robert Blanche.
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Tried looking up Giovanni Blanche and there's one who arrived early whose origin just says Italy.
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Gerard Laietta
Jerry Ryan
3/28/1906
NYC
47-50 41 Sunnyside, Long Island, NY
Giuseppe Laietta - Naples or Catania
Maria Rubertone - Anzi, Potenza, Basilicata
Angelina DiMelfi
Employed by Henry Cristafano
FBI # 571701
Acting Capo - Alo

Mother is definitely from Potenza, Father Giuseppe Laietta is more difficult. Laietta is similar to Liota or Saietta. Parents were married in Hammonton, NJ and there was a Giuseppe Liotta who lived in Gloucester which is close to Hammonton.

Name
Giuseppe Liotta
Other
Verna Liotta
Birth
28 Apr 1880 Catania, Italy
Residence
Gloucester, New Jersey, USA
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Ooh fah these fkn Genovese guys, tedious, very tedious. But I believe I might have stumbled upon something.

James Angelina, his real name appears to have been Angellino, his father was Domenico. Still looking, from what I can tell Domenico, wife Lucia, children Carmelina, Anthony and James arrived around 1911 from Italy. Trail runs thin. There was one Domenico Angellino, not sure if its the same guy, from Ceccano, Frosinone, Lazio, who arrived in 1906 to his bro-in-law Lorenzo Pandolfo in Burnham, PA. We know the Pandolfo name but it could be nothing.

(Before anyone asks, I'm not seeing a Vincenzo Angellino that matches James Angelina.)

You will see mainland connections via family between mainlanders in NY and Pennslyvania, both Campania and Calabria.
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Here's a member: Michael Geralle

NK-T1 says that he was a member in Eugene Catena's crew (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... elPageId=9)

MICHAEL GERALLE
(Mickey Gerard, Mickey Dodge)
DOB: 01 Feb 1915
POB: Marmet, West Virginia
F: Domenick Ciriello
M: Raffaela Cavalarro
Address: 76 Marshall St., Paterson, NJ
Occupation: Owner of Stage Coach Inn - Little Ferry, NJ
FBI #: 797198

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The FBI lists him as being born on 08-09-1930, I think they confused him with someone else.
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Chris Christie wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:46 am Ooh fah these fkn Genovese guys, tedious, very tedious. But I believe I might have stumbled upon something.

James Angelina, his real name appears to have been Angellino, his father was Domenico. Still looking, from what I can tell Domenico, wife Lucia, children Carmelina, Anthony and James arrived around 1911 from Italy. Trail runs thin. There was one Domenico Angellino, not sure if its the same guy, from Ceccano, Frosinone, Lazio, who arrived in 1906 to his bro-in-law Lorenzo Pandolfo in Burnham, PA. We know the Pandolfo name but it could be nothing.

(Before anyone asks, I'm not seeing a Vincenzo Angellino that matches James Angelina.)

You will see mainland connections via family between mainlanders in NY and Pennslyvania, both Campania and Calabria.
Alessandro "Sandino" Pandolfo did spend time in the Pittsburgh area so he had PA ties too.
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JoelTurner wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:49 am Here's a member: Michael Geralle

NK-T1 says that he was a member in Eugene Catena's crew (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... elPageId=9)

MICHAEL GERALLE
(Mickey Gerard, Mickey Dodge)
DOB: 01 Feb 1915
POB: Marmet, West Virginia
F: Domenick Ciriello
M: Raffaela Cavalarro
Address: 76 Marshall St., Paterson, NJ
Occupation: Owner of Stage Coach Inn - Little Ferry, NJ
FBI #: 797198

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The FBI lists him as being born on 08-09-1930, I think they confused him with someone else.
I believe that the original names of his parents were Domenico Cirillo and Maddalena Raffaele. Michael Dominick “Geralle” was indeed born in 1915 in WV. By 1930, he was living with his by-then-widowed mother and uncle in Paterson.

Cirillo is a common surname in various regions of the Mainland South. There were a number of Cirillos in WV from Catanzaro and Reggio provinces, Calabria, but there were, of course, a ton in NJ from all over Campania and Calabria. On top of the various spelling aberrations, makes his ancestry difficult to verify.
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PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:42 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:49 am Here's a member: Michael Geralle

NK-T1 says that he was a member in Eugene Catena's crew (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... elPageId=9)

MICHAEL GERALLE
(Mickey Gerard, Mickey Dodge)
DOB: 01 Feb 1915
POB: Marmet, West Virginia
F: Domenick Ciriello
M: Raffaela Cavalarro
Address: 76 Marshall St., Paterson, NJ
Occupation: Owner of Stage Coach Inn - Little Ferry, NJ
FBI #: 797198

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The FBI lists him as being born on 08-09-1930, I think they confused him with someone else.
I believe that the original names of his parents were Domenico Cirillo and Maddalena Raffaele. Michael Dominick “Geralle” was indeed born in 1915 in WV. By 1930, he was living with his by-then-widowed mother and uncle in Paterson.
According to his obituary, his parents were “Mr. and Mrs. Dominick and Raffaele Cirillo Geralle”. (https://www.newspapers.com/image/532133591)

According to his sister’s obituary, her parents were “late Domenick and the late Raffaela (nee Cavalarro) Ciriello” (https://festamemorial.com/tribute/detai ... tuary.html)

I can see Domenico to Dominick but how does Maddalena Raffaele get changed to Raffaela Cavalarro? That’s a whole other name.
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JoelTurner wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:19 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:42 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:49 am Here's a member: Michael Geralle

NK-T1 says that he was a member in Eugene Catena's crew (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... elPageId=9)

MICHAEL GERALLE
(Mickey Gerard, Mickey Dodge)
DOB: 01 Feb 1915
POB: Marmet, West Virginia
F: Domenick Ciriello
M: Raffaela Cavalarro
Address: 76 Marshall St., Paterson, NJ
Occupation: Owner of Stage Coach Inn - Little Ferry, NJ
FBI #: 797198

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The FBI lists him as being born on 08-09-1930, I think they confused him with someone else.
I believe that the original names of his parents were Domenico Cirillo and Maddalena Raffaele. Michael Dominick “Geralle” was indeed born in 1915 in WV. By 1930, he was living with his by-then-widowed mother and uncle in Paterson.
According to his obituary, his parents were “Mr. and Mrs. Dominick and Raffaele Cirillo Geralle”. (https://www.newspapers.com/image/532133591)

According to his sister’s obituary, her parents were “late Domenick and the late Raffaela (nee Cavalarro) Ciriello” (https://festamemorial.com/tribute/detai ... tuary.html)

I can see Domenico to Dominick but how does Maddalena Raffaele get changed to Raffaela Cavalarro? That’s a whole other name.
In 1930 he was living with his widowed mother in Paterson, and she gave her name as “Madeline Raffele”. She was was living with a guy who gave his name as “Petro Raffele”’who was listed as Michael’s uncle. Doesn’t seem to square up with the obits, I agree, so maybe the census taker made some errors.

BTW, Domenico is the same name as Dominick. Dominick is the English version, Domenico is the Italian version.
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PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:49 am
JoelTurner wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:19 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:42 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:49 am Here's a member: Michael Geralle

NK-T1 says that he was a member in Eugene Catena's crew (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... elPageId=9)

MICHAEL GERALLE
(Mickey Gerard, Mickey Dodge)
DOB: 01 Feb 1915
POB: Marmet, West Virginia
F: Domenick Ciriello
M: Raffaela Cavalarro
Address: 76 Marshall St., Paterson, NJ
Occupation: Owner of Stage Coach Inn - Little Ferry, NJ
FBI #: 797198

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The FBI lists him as being born on 08-09-1930, I think they confused him with someone else.
I believe that the original names of his parents were Domenico Cirillo and Maddalena Raffaele. Michael Dominick “Geralle” was indeed born in 1915 in WV. By 1930, he was living with his by-then-widowed mother and uncle in Paterson.
According to his obituary, his parents were “Mr. and Mrs. Dominick and Raffaele Cirillo Geralle”. (https://www.newspapers.com/image/532133591)

According to his sister’s obituary, her parents were “late Domenick and the late Raffaela (nee Cavalarro) Ciriello” (https://festamemorial.com/tribute/detai ... tuary.html)

I can see Domenico to Dominick but how does Maddalena Raffaele get changed to Raffaela Cavalarro? That’s a whole other name.
In 1930 he was living with his widowed mother in Paterson, and she gave her name as “Madeline Raffele”. She was was living with a guy who gave his name as “Petro Raffele”’who was listed as Michael’s uncle. Doesn’t seem to square up with the obits, I agree, so maybe the census taker made some errors.

BTW, Domenico is the same name as Dominick. Dominick is the English version, Domenico is the Italian version.
(https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-co ... 7542:62308)

On the 1950 Census, he was living alone with his widowed mother. Her name is listed as Magdaline Geralle. My guess is that her maiden name was Madeline Raffele Cavalarro.
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