Soprano’s ‘Death Scene’

[NJStreetBoss]

Lots of guys flipped on the show. Carlo Gervasi, Ray, Curto, Larry Barese, all Capos. Plus Big Pussy Bompensiero and Gene Pontecorvo(sp) who were Soldiers. Possibly Capo Jimmy Altieri as well. They also had a Lupprotozzi Capo flipped in the 5th season (forgot his name).


Pogo

Are u sure that Larry barese flipped??

Iv been watching YouTube for 5 hours now on sopranos...
But regarding Larry idk esp bc he had his nephew and son involved after
And yes pussy I forgotten about. But has any of them turncoats actually take anyone down??

The Larry Barese thing was brief and involved him giving the location of the body of Tony's first murder. Some black guy. But he did steer them away from Tony, pointing the finger at Jackie Aprile. It was left at that and the viewer gets the impression that Barese did flip.

Ohhhhhh

Yes now I remember... They were at the summer cottage lamming it incase Tony was gonna get picked up right??

Ya I remember now. But is that the only thing he gave them...??

I remmember then saying he still was stand up or something

Not sure what season it was when Larry may have flipped, but he was in Season 6A when Chris and Carmine Jr. were looking for investors for CLEVER and he was in Season 5 while at Ray Curto's birthday party. Though I agree that nothing came from these informants.

I always questioned where certain characters went like:

Albert Barese - he disappeared pretty much.

Perry Annunziata - (Tonys driver for 2 episodes)?

What about the guy Johnny Sack beat the hell out of and then pissed on him lol??

WALDEN - guy comes at the end with no intro, just shows up and has the best (hands down) whacking in the series. I mean i cheered when Phil took that shot while chatting with his wife.
"Tell Dr. Iaconna to call the god damn pharmacy, i should have 60 day ............. BOOOOOM"

BENNY- he would be Boss right now in 2020

Did u ever catch Vito in the bakery shop in the first season where Chris shot the guy at the register??
I think they called him Gino

Yup... NEXT TIME YOU SEE MY FACE, SHOW ME SOME RESPECT

[JeremyTheJew]

Lots of guys flipped on the show. Carlo Gervasi, Ray, Curto, Larry Barese, all Capos. Plus Big Pussy Bompensiero and Gene Pontecorvo(sp) who were Soldiers. Possibly Capo Jimmy Altieri as well. They also had a Lupprotozzi Capo flipped in the 5th season (forgot his name).


Pogo

Are u sure that Larry barese flipped??

Iv been watching YouTube for 5 hours now on sopranos...
But regarding Larry idk esp bc he had his nephew and son involved after
And yes pussy I forgotten about. But has any of them turncoats actually take anyone down??

The Larry Barese thing was brief and involved him giving the location of the body of Tony's first murder. Some black guy. But he did steer them away from Tony, pointing the finger at Jackie Aprile. It was left at that and the viewer gets the impression that Barese did flip.

Ohhhhhh

Yes now I remember... They were at the summer cottage lamming it incase Tony was gonna get picked up right??

Ya I remember now. But is that the only thing he gave them...??

I remmember then saying he still was stand up or something

Not sure what season it was when Larry may have flipped, but he was in Season 6A when Chris and Carmine Jr. were looking for investors for CLEVER and he was in Season 5 while at Ray Curto's birthday party. Though I agree that nothing came from these informants.

I always questioned where certain characters went like:

Albert Barese - he disappeared pretty much.

Perry Annunziata - (Tonys driver for 2 episodes)?

What about the guy Johnny Sack beat the hell out of and then pissed on him lol??

WALDEN - guy comes at the end with no intro, just shows up and has the best (hands down) whacking in the series. I mean i cheered when Phil took that shot while chatting with his wife.
"Tell Dr. Iaconna to call the god damn pharmacy, i should have 60 day ............. BOOOOOM"

BENNY- he would be Boss right now in 2020

Did u ever catch Vito in the bakery shop in the first season where Chris shot the guy at the register??
I think they called him Gino

Yup... NEXT TIME YOU SEE MY FACE, SHOW ME SOME RESPECT

Funny but I actually said that quote at work

[Grouchy Sinatra]

I don't think Larry flipped. He gave the cops Jackie Aprile's name, who's dead, for the Willie Overall murder, when it was Tony who actually did it. Tony was thinking the worst because the FBI was digging up Overall's body and Larry had gotten taken in at the Cleaver premiere party. Once Tony and everyone found out Larry gave the feds Jackie's name, they were relieved.

[JeremyTheJew]

I don't think Larry flipped. He gave the cops Jackie Aprile's name, who's dead, for the Willie Overall murder, when it was Tony who actually did it. Tony was thinking the worst because the FBI was digging up Overall's body and Larry had gotten taken in at the Cleaver premiere party. Once Tony and everyone found out Larry gave the feds Jackie's name, they were relieved.

Larry got taken in at the cleaver premier party??
I missed that too...

[Grouchy Sinatra]

I don't think Larry flipped. He gave the cops Jackie Aprile's name, who's dead, for the Willie Overall murder, when it was Tony who actually did it. Tony was thinking the worst because the FBI was digging up Overall's body and Larry had gotten taken in at the Cleaver premiere party. Once Tony and everyone found out Larry gave the feds Jackie's name, they were relieved.

Larry got taken in at the cleaver premier party??
I missed that too...

Yep. Right after he was explaining to a group of people that the actors don't make up their own lines. People write it for them. Even DeNiro, the girl told him.

[Jeff]

The interview where David Chase made these comments is from the January 2019 book The Soprano Sessions. (highly recommended for fans of the show). Not sure why the nypost is discussing it now as if it's new. In the interview Chase says he originally intended for Tony to die at the end but changed his mind. Instead he went for a more ambiguous ending. He says that Tony could have died in the finale. The point of the ending is that Tony and his family have to appreciate the good times while they last. Whether he get killed that day at Holsten's or another day, it will happen eventually (or he end up in the prison). For Tony, even an innocent family dinner at a diner is potentially dangerous for him. Chase was attempting to put the viewer in Tony's shoes.

Thus, that aspect of the ending (did he or did be not die?) is supposed to be open ended (but the message or theme of the ending is not and should matter far more than whether he died or not). Portions of the interview where Chase discusses Tony's death (without full context/explanation of Chase explaining he changed his mind) were leaked/published before the book's release. This resulted in many, including the nypost over 1.5 years after its publication, to conclude that Chase was acknowledging Tony's death (this is clearly what the interviewers in the Sopranos Sessions first thought as well). Of course some will say Chase accidentally slipped up in revealing Tony died and then had to backtrack. So I guess even his explanation of the ending includes some ambiguity ha. Either way, worth the read IMO.

[Boatdrinks]

An enjoyable thread, with some great arguments, ideas, and theories.
For those who are still unsure what happened at the end, there is a very long and detailed piece on the internet, that breaks down the final scenes, and provides a full explanation. It is called Master of Sopranos.
Before I saw this MoS, I myself was in a bit of denial. I now accept the explanation laid out by MoS.


I would like to put forward some ideas of my own about how the event occurred. I agree with the argument about Butch. It should be remembered that he first said "decapitate". I think this was always his intention but how did he do it? It should be remembered, that AJ worked for Little Carmine. All that had to be done, is to follow him. The smart move of course, is to walk in before him.

I remember watching the final episode for the first time. I could see in real-time that the episode was soon going to finish. I didn't know what was going to happen. Yes! Meadow parking was so intense!

The black screen!

I was shocked!

Eventually, I accepted it! Bobby was right!

Let me make an argument for why the end was filmed as it was. It will be recalled, that when the final scenes were filmed, it was a circus. Huge numbers of people turning up at the shoot. In real-life, you could not film scenes with actors walking around with huge amounts of ketchup on them, and then expect this to be kept secret. This is why when James Gandolfini was asked what happened, he said that nothing happened.

If fans of Tony Soprano want another ending, then they can just imagine T driving across NYC to Brooklyn and buying a bar.