I'm not exactly sure as Monteleone was mentioned as *the* boss in 2000 in FBI documents. The organization looks more like something the CCC would put out and very much resembles some of the stuff CC used to put together his 2000 chart (which mirrors a bunch of these names and positions).PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:51 pm Thanks for posting, Pat.
Wonder where they got the idea that Joey was boss at that time whereas Johnnys Bananas and Apes were UBs. Goes to suggest that LE at least seems to have very much believed that Lombardo was both active and high-ranking at this time.
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Thanks Snakes. So the remaining members from this list (some of the ages may be out of date).
Joseph "Joe the Builder" Andriacchi/87
Robert Bellavia/83
Bruno Caruso/74
Frank “Tootsie” Caruso Jr/73
Salvatore “Solly D” DeLaurentis/83
Rudolph “Ruddy” Fratto Jr/77
Michael C. Talarico/67
Rocco Lombardo/83
Michael Magnifichi/57
John "Pudgy" Matassa/68 (UI)
James Marcello/76 (IP/L)
Robert Salerno/87
Not on this list but confirmed as members elswhere
Salvatore Cataudella/72
Nicholas Guzzino/77
Michael Sarno/62 (IP/10/1/2032)
Were James Inendino/78, Michael Spano Sr/78 and Albert Vena/71 confirmed as members? Any other confirmed members?
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Joseph "Joe the Builder" Andriacchi/87
Robert Bellavia/83
Bruno Caruso/74
Frank “Tootsie” Caruso Jr/73
Salvatore “Solly D” DeLaurentis/83
Rudolph “Ruddy” Fratto Jr/77
Michael C. Talarico/67
Rocco Lombardo/83
Michael Magnifichi/57
John "Pudgy" Matassa/68 (UI)
James Marcello/76 (IP/L)
Robert Salerno/87
Not on this list but confirmed as members elswhere
Salvatore Cataudella/72
Nicholas Guzzino/77
Michael Sarno/62 (IP/10/1/2032)
Were James Inendino/78, Michael Spano Sr/78 and Albert Vena/71 confirmed as members? Any other confirmed members?
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I don't think we have a smoking gun file that confirms they are members but I would think they almost certainly are.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:31 pm Thanks Snakes. So the remaining members from this list (some of the ages may be out of date).
Joseph "Joe the Builder" Andriacchi/87
Robert Bellavia/83
Bruno Caruso/74
Frank “Tootsie” Caruso Jr/73
Salvatore “Solly D” DeLaurentis/83
Rudolph “Ruddy” Fratto Jr/77
Michael C. Talarico/67
Rocco Lombardo/83
Michael Magnifichi/57
John "Pudgy" Matassa/68 (UI)
James Marcello/76 (IP/L)
Robert Salerno/87
Not on this list but confirmed as members elswhere
Salvatore Cataudella/72
Nicholas Guzzino/77
Michael Sarno/62 (IP/10/1/2032)
Were James Inendino/78, Michael Spano Sr/78 and Albert Vena/71 confirmed as members? Any other confirmed members?
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Joe DiFronzo is listed as made on this chart and he is still alive, although Joe Fosco says that he was never made and I tend to agree.
Sal Cataudella is 69, not 72
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Rocco Lombardo isn't made, and we don't have confirmation that Salerno or Bellavia are.
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I'm almost certain Bellavia is one of the redacted names on the 1993 FBI list. The name was imprisoned at the Chicago MCC at the time and that's where Bellavia was housed prior to sentencing.
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In Spanos indictment they had him saying apes was the boss of the outfit in 95.Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:13 pmI'm not exactly sure as Monteleone was mentioned as *the* boss in 2000 in FBI documents. The organization looks more like something the CCC would put out and very much resembles some of the stuff CC used to put together his 2000 chart (which mirrors a bunch of these names and positions).PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:51 pm Thanks for posting, Pat.
Wonder where they got the idea that Joey was boss at that time whereas Johnnys Bananas and Apes were UBs. Goes to suggest that LE at least seems to have very much believed that Lombardo was both active and high-ranking at this time.
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I agree with phat,I love those old fucks and he's right.we all got some cosa nostra in us.I personnely love the life.I think we on the forum would be the ultimate crew! - camerono
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Thanks again. So I take it the Spano and Indendino indictments never clarified whether they were made members or not?
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Nope. Only one Outfit case labeled the defendants as made and that was Family Secrets.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:04 pm Thanks again. So I take it the Spano and Indendino indictments never clarified whether they were made members or not?
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Correct. I assume it was because they could never prove it before without an actual member testifying. They used more generic terms like boss of carlisi street crew etcSnakes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:08 pmNope. Only one Outfit case labeled the defendants as made and that was Family Secrets.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:04 pm Thanks again. So I take it the Spano and Indendino indictments never clarified whether they were made members or not?
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Thanks for posting, interesting stuff.
First time I’ve ever seen Lombardo as the top guy anywhere in any official LE document.
I also have to think they are missing quite a few names from both 26th and Grand Ave. Seems to me grand in particular was bigger and more influential than most thought even up to current day.
Now if Snakes would just let us know what he’s working on regarding this time period we might have some answers!
The responsibilities and share of power between Difronzo, Lombardo, and Monteleone is still such a cloudy subject. Hopefully one day we have more official intel.
First time I’ve ever seen Lombardo as the top guy anywhere in any official LE document.
I also have to think they are missing quite a few names from both 26th and Grand Ave. Seems to me grand in particular was bigger and more influential than most thought even up to current day.
Now if Snakes would just let us know what he’s working on regarding this time period we might have some answers!
The responsibilities and share of power between Difronzo, Lombardo, and Monteleone is still such a cloudy subject. Hopefully one day we have more official intel.
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Was Nick Calabrese that unknown or just thought of as a nobody that they didn't even mention him?
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The wheels of FOIA move slow, my friend. Patience!Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:55 pm Thanks for posting, interesting stuff.
First time I’ve ever seen Lombardo as the top guy anywhere in any official LE document.
I also have to think they are missing quite a few names from both 26th and Grand Ave. Seems to me grand in particular was bigger and more influential than most thought even up to current day.
Now if Snakes would just let us know what he’s working on regarding this time period we might have some answers!
The responsibilities and share of power between Difronzo, Lombardo, and Monteleone is still such a cloudy subject. Hopefully one day we have more official intel.