Visiting the West Side 1963

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PolackTony wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:21 am Thanks for the info. So, there were like, what, 7-8 "original" crews before the crew splits? Terranova/Coppola/Lombardo crew, Greco crew, Pellegrino crew, Miranda crew (later split), Pisano/Angelina crew, Strollo/Eboli crew, NJ/Moretti crew (later split), Doto/Alo crew, Frasca crew (?), DelDuca crew.

This more or less correct? Any other pre-1960s crews left out? What were the pre-Frasca BK crews -- did Frasca inherit what had originally been, at least in part, Frankie Yale's crew? And the Coppola East Harlem crew was never split, right?
From the ones we can confirm:

Terranova/Coppola/Lombardo
Luciano/Greco
Genovese/Strollo/Eboli
Pellegrino
Miranda
Moretti/Catena/Boiardo
Doto/Alo

We don't have enough info on the Brooklyn faction. Pisano took over only a portion of Yale's old regime, and for most of his reign, he focused more on his operations outside Brooklyn than inside the borough.

Thomas 'Bullets' Licata was a capo from Ozone Park who operated a Brooklyn crew in the late 1940s - early 1950s. His crew was part of the crew merge that made Frasca a capo, but it's unknown if Frasca was a capo before the merge. So as of the late 1940s - early 1950s, the Genovese had at least three Brooklyn regimes.

From what I can tell, the Genovese family always had at the very least 2 Brooklyn crews, with the crews getting merged or split periodically.


Chris Christie wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:17 am I read your NJ crew write up. Amazing research done.

So Boiardo was in a dispute with Zwillman or the NJ Gen crew? If he was boss if his independent group do you think it was possible he was made captain immediately after being brought in? Sounds like he and Catena had an on and off again relationship while he and Miranda seemingly got along.

All of this is so interesting.
Thanks for the kind words, buddy.

Boiardo was in dispute with both Zwillman and the Moretti Crew. His feud with Zwillman was public and violent, while his beef with Moretti was private and political for the most part.

Boiardo had a long-standing hatred for Zwillman because of their war during the Prohibition days. Boiardo had old ties to the Genovese and Chicago, dating back to the early 1920s, if not earlier.

The main reason for Boiardo's love-hate relationship with Catena was bitterness. He was bitter that Catena was very influential in the Genovese family. Since joining the Genovese, Catena's power continued to increase, while Boiardo's steadily declined. For what's worth, Catena trusted Boiardo more than he did DeCarlo. Catena was also Zwillman's right-hand man since the early 1930s.
do you think it was possible he was made captain immediately after being brought in?
No chance. A big reason why these old NJ gangsters like Boiardo, DeCarlo, Catena, etc., were skeptical of joining Cosa Nostra is that they knew they had to toe the line. Until the crew split in late 1961 - early 1962, there was only one huge Genovese NJ-based crew with an interrupted succession since the family's inception.
Sounds like he and Catena had an on and off again relationship while he and Miranda seemingly got along.
We don't know too much about Boiardo and Miranda's relationship. It could've been similar to Boiardo's relationship with Catena or completely different. Although it's known that Miranda and Luciano were among Boiardo's contacts with the Genovese during the 1920s.
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Boiardo was in a dispute with Zwillman (Catena was originally with Zwillman) and Moretti. A couple of peace meetings were held to resolve their differences.

Anthony Carfano/Pisano inherited the Frankie Yale crew, but it might have been split up with Joe Adonis.

Some believe Frankie Marlow, whose real name was Gandolfo Curto, was an early captain. He was known as the Broadway mobster and was murdered in 1929. He was born in Polizzi Generosa, Sicily, which is about 15 miles south of Cefalu in a straight line, in 1889. Not sure who would have succeeded him, but whoever had that territory later would be a good place to start.
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Antiliar wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:05 pm Boiardo was in a dispute with Zwillman (Catena was originally with Zwillman) and Moretti. A couple of peace meetings were held to resolve their differences.
Capone was responsible for one of those meetings with Zwillman and Boiardo, right?
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The meeting took place in the Robert Treat Hotel in Newark.
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PolackTony wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:09 pm
Antiliar wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:05 pm Boiardo was in a dispute with Zwillman (Catena was originally with Zwillman) and Moretti. A couple of peace meetings were held to resolve their differences.
Capone was responsible for one of those meetings with Zwillman and Boiardo, right?
Capone mediated the first meeting, which was unsuccessful.
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According to his FBI file Boiardo was in conflict with the Newark Family along with Zwillman and Moretti (Masseria Family). The latter three were all working together which makes sense.

Specific Newark Family figures Boiardo had problems with were Settimo Accardi, the Pizzolato brothers, and Salvatore Lombardino.nBoiardo was also linked to the murder of Thomas Tato in 1930. Tato was allegedly Capone's cousin who was involved in the Zwillman / Boiardo issue.

You'd think Boiardo would be aligned with Masseria's Family by the 1920s, but Masseria's Family was aligned with the Newark Family to reel Boiardo in.
Sometime in the 1950s, he secured a transfer to the Philadelphia crime family. During the 1962 meeting, Battaglia was most likely a caporegime.
Eboli, do you have a source who said this about Battaglia? He was close to the Philadelphia Family but it is news to me if there is specific info saying he transferred. The sitdown with Caponigro is shakey as far as formality goes and there was a lot of confusion in FBI reports about Newark affiliation during this time.
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eboli wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:12 pm The meeting took place in the Robert Treat Hotel in Newark.
Can I see the file that states the Miranda crew broke up 3 ways? I trust you but De Carlo's "13 crews" is ringing in my head.

Tomorrow I'll update the captains as per your info and then post a list of soldiers divided by decina and then a large batch of unknowns. If you know where to place anyone that'd be great. Bonanotti.
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The Miranda crew dividing up:

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I think that Alo was broke off from Pellegrino crew
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B. wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:10 pm The Miranda crew dividing up:

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The wiretap there is De Carlo and Rega?
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B. wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:39 pm According to his FBI file Boiardo was in conflict with the Newark Family along with Zwillman and Moretti (Masseria Family). The latter three were all working together which makes sense.

Specific Newark Family figures Boiardo had problems with were Settimo Accardi, the Pizzolato brothers, and Salvatore Lombardino.nBoiardo was also linked to the murder of Thomas Tato in 1930. Tato was allegedly Capone's cousin who was involved in the Zwillman / Boiardo issue.

You'd think Boiardo would be aligned with Masseria's Family by the 1920s, but Masseria's Family was aligned with the Newark Family to reel Boiardo in.
Sometime in the 1950s, he secured a transfer to the Philadelphia crime family. During the 1962 meeting, Battaglia was most likely a caporegime.
Eboli, do you have a source who said this about Battaglia? He was close to the Philadelphia Family but it is news to me if there is specific info saying he transferred. The sitdown with Caponigro is shakey as far as formality goes and there was a lot of confusion in FBI reports about Newark affiliation during this time.
Battaglia switched families sometime after Moretti's death. The informant in the FBI report did not know the reason for the change. During the 1940s, the Genovese set up making ceremonies in Battaglia's house, and he was IDd as a Genovese member during this time.

In the early 1960s, I found a few federal reports stating that Battaglia was a caporegime in the Bruno crime family. Caponigro was only a soldier, but there's a discrepancy regarding whether he was direct with Bruno or under Battaglia.

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Tony -- It's DeCarlo and Pussy Russo.

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LCNBio's recent post:
By the late 1950s Lapi and Agone were both formally inducted Genovese members in the Lower Manhattan crew headed by Vincenzo 'Jimmy Alto' Altomari.

Following Altomari's death in 1964, Lapi reported to Rosario 'Saro' Mogavero.
So Altomari was a captain by the late 1950s and still a captain 1964 when he died. At least one of his members (Joe Lapi) was then assigned to Mogavero, who JD says took over the crew in the 1970s when Mogavero died.

There's a wiretap that says a Patsy LNU was a captain who died sometime before 1965 and his crew was being taken over by Mogavero. We speculated it may have been Patsy DelDuca because he died in 1964, but the timeline would also fit Jimmy Altomari's death and Mogavero taking at least part of the crew. Possible they got "Patsy's" name wrong and were referring to Altomari.
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B. wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:12 pm - For Springfield/Worcester, Ray Patriarca was recorded saying he presided over the inductions of Pinky Panarelli, Frank Scibelli, and two redacted names. He also inducted a Mario LNU (Fiore?) and six others who were made and then transferred to the Genovese Family. Not sure if the six includes Panarelli, Scibelli, and the first two redacted names or if it was six in addition to those named.

- According to Patriarca, existing Genovese members in Springfield/Worcester before the above were made included Sam Cufari, Nicky Camerota, and Jimmy Collaro.

- Informants told the FBI the following names were made members in Springfield/Worcester:

Nicholas Camerota
James Collaro
Salvatore Cufari
Mario Fiore
Chester Iacone
Salvatore Iacone
Carlo Mastrototaro
Joseph Mineo
Cosmo Panarelli
Thomas SanFratello
Francis Santo
Albert Scibelli
Anthony Scibelli
Frank Scibelli

Suspected:
Louis Maloni
Henry Siciliano

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Another possible remote member is Biaggio Angelica. Ex-NYC who moved to Houston, Texas. Chicago informant DeRose knew Angelica and ID'd him as a Genovese member based in Texas. Not sure if anyone else confirmed it.
Do you know about what year Patriarca made these guys?
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eboli wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:25 am
B. wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:39 pm
Updated the first post on this thread with the capo additions and divided the soldiers into crews, if you guys wouldn't mind looking it over, if members should be moved or you know which crew someone was in that'd be great.
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nash143 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:28 pm This version of the chart shows why Rosario Mogavero was absent.
I just seen this post now, Thank you!

So those guys were under Mogavero/Pellegrino? Eboli, you have Mogavero and Pellegrino as two separate crews by 1963? Who would these guys be with?

Joseph Agone
Anthony Albanese
Ottilio Frank Caruso
Michelino Clemente
George Filipone
Joseph Lapi
George Nobile
Michael Spinella
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