1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

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PolackTony wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:30 pm
Adam wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:07 am
Well I think it was in 1993 that the feds referenced having six informants providing information on the Detroit mob. But in 1985 a good candidate to let them know about Lapiana would be someone like Lenny Schultz who was an FBI informant at the time. He could have been someone who said that Lapiana got made for taking part in the Ralph Proctor murder in 1984.
None of these were member informants though, correct?
I don't think so.
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Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

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I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


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Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 pm I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


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The number from the 1993 list was 206, so significant attrition would have had to occur for the number to drop that far. They didn't have the members broken down for the NY families, so I'm wondering if this was just bad intel or a typo, as you already mentioned.
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:10 pm Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:10 pm Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

FYI Scott cant wait until Friday Apr 15th ;)
Wife pre-ordered for Christmas. Looking forward to the read.
Preordered as well.
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Snakes wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:34 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 pm I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


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The number from the 1993 list was 206, so significant attrition would have had to occur for the number to drop that far. They didn't have the members broken down for the NY families, so I'm wondering if this was just bad intel or a typo, as you already mentioned.
The fact they had specific numbers for all the other families but just threw out generic, rounded figures for the Gambinos and Genovese makes me think they were just ballparking it on those two families, for whatever reason. Though the 400 for the Gambinos definitely doesn't make sense. Stands out much like when one report had 195 members for the Bonannos during the 1980s.
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Missed this last page from Buffalo.


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sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.
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Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?
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sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:03 pm
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?
The report
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Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:06 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:03 pm
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?
The report
Ok. Will look this weekend
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Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.
San Jose - 35
St. Louis - 32
Tampa - 36
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Thanks
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