Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
We did respond to your citations. I pointed out that some of your sources contained misinformation and linked to an article in Informer Journal.
That article is behind a paywall. I tried to click it.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
PolackTony referred to old discussions we had on these topics. You can also use the search function to find them.
I've used it. I don't see the threads you are referencing. Feel free to link them, when asked, as I did, about my sources.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
He also pointed out that Lawrence Mangano and Vincenzo Mangano weren't related.
He says there is no evidence they were related. He doesn't say its irrefutable fact they were not. Regardless, both Mangano's are Sicilian, which was my initial point about Capone liking Chicago Heights.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
There's no primary source evidence that Lawrence Mangano tried to kill Ricca. It's possible that he was part of a faction that allegedly tried to get rid of Tony Accardo, but even that is speculative.
I linked the site I found evidence on, I agree it is speculative.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
The idea that there was some war between the Sicilians and non-Sicilians never happened. The Mafia was brought to America by Sicilians and it was those Sicilians who made non-Sicilians into the Cosa Nostra.
There are so many documented cases of Sicilians and non-Sicilians fighting, I don't know where to even begin. Capone vs Aiello is a perfect example of what happened after all the Genna's were dead. This didn't happen until after the Commission was created, as I posted. The old guard did not allow non-Sicilians. This is why there are only Sicilians at the Statler.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
Nobody said anything about Al Capone asking permission to kill Lombardo. According to Nick Gentile, Joe Masseria made Capone as a capodecina and he could make ten men under him. Masseria told him that he eliminated Lombardo and Aiello he could become boss of Chicago. So Capone didn't ask, Masseria told him.
It seems to me a stretch to think that Capone would put himself in this position, just to kill someone he considered friend (Lombardo), and get permission to kill someone he was already happy to kill himself (Aiello). I also find it a stretch to think Sicilian Masseria would make any non-Sicilian a capo. Capone would have been the first in the history of LCN if what you say is true, no?
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
Parts of this was corroborated by August Maniaci in an FBI file you find if you do a search here or at Mary Ferrell. Joe Bonanno, as PolackTony explained, also corroborates parts. Even Joe Valachi gives some corroboration.
I'll try to find that Maniaci file thanks for the tip
Do we believe Valachi and Bonanno on everything they said? Like Buster from Chicago or the fact that Bonnano was kidnapped?
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
There has been a lot of misinformation about the Unione Siciliana. Some of this I covered in the article that I linked. As I previously stated, Frankie Yale (Ioele) had nothing to do with it. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
I agree with you about the Unione and misinfo and I am open to better sourcing correcting what you claim to be bad info that I have. However, the article you linked is paywalled, and so therefore I cannot access it, unlike the two articles I linked supporting the Ioele info.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:18 pm
So we've responded to everything you wrote, given you links and told you where to go for additional information.
No, you linked one article, which was paywalled. This all became an issue when you asked me to cite my source about Mangano, which I did. Sorry to have derailed this thread and am happy to discuss elsewhere.