General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[PolackTony]

Rosenthal (Achilles) claimed Harry Aleman and "Corky" committed the murder. (I think "Corky" was an Outfit associate nicknamed "Porky.")

I don't know what kind of relationship Rosenthal and Glick had, but I could see Rosenthal throwing some underserved dirt on him for personal reasons.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 6-10302%22

Porky Poradyla, I assume

Fred "Porky" Poradyla (my avatar, BTW. Have to represent for the Polacy, lol) would make sense as a suspect for the hit.

[Ivan]

Frank Rosenthal told federal agents that Glick "issued" the contract on Rand.

Thanks Ed. I knew I'd seen that somewhere but couldn't remember where.

[Adam]

Rosenthal (Achilles) claimed Harry Aleman and "Corky" committed the murder. (I think "Corky" was an Outfit associate nicknamed "Porky.")

I don't know what kind of relationship Rosenthal and Glick had, but I could see Rosenthal throwing some underserved dirt on him for personal reasons.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 6-10302%22

Thanks. That helps a lot. Still have trouble with the informant info though. Just have issues with Glock ordering a hit. Aleman being involved also seems odd. Not known as a west coast guy. But very possible.

[Snakes]

Rosenthal (Achilles) claimed Harry Aleman and "Corky" committed the murder. (I think "Corky" was an Outfit associate nicknamed "Porky.")

I don't know what kind of relationship Rosenthal and Glick had, but I could see Rosenthal throwing some underserved dirt on him for personal reasons.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 6-10302%22

Thanks. That helps a lot. Still have trouble with the informant info though. Just have issues with Glock ordering a hit. Aleman being involved also seems odd. Not known as a west coast guy. But very possible.

Nick Calabrese was sent to Arizona to do a hit. If they send you somewhere, you go. I assume it was more like them asking Glick if she would be a problem. If he says "yes," she is gone.

[Ed]

PT, I always wondered about your avatar! Porky looks like a sweetheart.

Rosenthal was a duplicitous guy, navigating mob waters for so long, mixing with underworld heavyweights. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if he threw shade on Glick, a rival, to take him down.

Also, did it ever come out that Glick supplied Intel during the 1970s? Again wouldn't surprise me at all if he was talking with the FBI the whole time he was running the casino.

I agree that Glick probably didn't order the murder, more like he brought it to the attention of his superiors that Rand was a problem.

[SolarSolano]

Allen Glick just died of cancer:
https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2021/0 ... -in-1970s/

I've never bought his claim that he didn't know what he was getting into with ARGENT and the Teamsters and Balistrieri. Maybe he didn't know Kansas City and Chicago would get involved, but I really don't buy his babe in the woods routine.

I believe there were FBI sources saying that Allen Glick actually ordered the Tamara Rand hit in collaboration with Balistrieri.

Transparent obituary...never seen one.

I agree IVAN. Either he authorized it or complained about her hoping she would get struck by lightning. God dam veteran with those awards and no balls wtf...

Dorfman was the veteran - he served in Saipan and had numerous medals - though SOB but the Outfit killed him. I don't think Glick served.

[Tonyd621]

Allen Glick just died of cancer:
https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2021/0 ... -in-1970s/

I've never bought his claim that he didn't know what he was getting into with ARGENT and the Teamsters and Balistrieri. Maybe he didn't know Kansas City and Chicago would get involved, but I really don't buy his babe in the woods routine.

I believe there were FBI sources saying that Allen Glick actually ordered the Tamara Rand hit in collaboration with Balistrieri.

Transparent obituary...never seen one.

I agree IVAN. Either he authorized it or complained about her hoping she would get struck by lightning. God dam veteran with those awards and no balls wtf...

Dorfman was the veteran - he served in Saipan and had numerous medals - though SOB but the Outfit killed him. I don't think Glick served.

It says in Glicks obit he was in Vietnam assigned to a spec ops unit.

[Tonyd621]

Spec ops back then-you have to be one tough SOB. Training is still tough but soft compared to what they had to do to pass muster back then. No auto extraction air drops where you dnt even have to pull the rip chord anymore. Glick landing into enemy territory where it's otherwise inaccessible to other troops surrounding by that jungle and enemy combatants.

[SolarSolano]

Spec ops back then-you have to be one tough SOB. Training is still tough but soft compared to what they had to do to pass muster back then. No auto extraction air drops where you dnt even have to pull the rip chord anymore. Glick landing into enemy territory where it's otherwise inaccessible to other troops surrounding by that jungle and enemy combatants.

I stand corrected. Damn.

I know Dorfman was also a decorated veteran - ironic how many guys in these Outfit scams actually served their country prior to trying to rip it off.

[Tonyd621]

Spec ops back then-you have to be one tough SOB. Training is still tough but soft compared to what they had to do to pass muster back then. No auto extraction air drops where you dnt even have to pull the rip chord anymore. Glick landing into enemy territory where it's otherwise inaccessible to other troops surrounding by that jungle and enemy combatants.

I stand corrected. Damn.

I know Dorfman was also a decorated veteran - ironic how many guys in these Outfit scams actually served their country prior to trying to rip it off.

Now I'll tell ya I'm biased because I served. And I can go into all aspects of it, but at the end of it my biggest surprise will be asking myself is why they flipped... prison should not be a place they are scared to face. One of the best characteristics in the military to have is integrity so they lived it their whole life-why not die with integrity? Idk why? I can't relate because I never been in their situation but that's just my opinion.

[SolarSolano]

Spec ops back then-you have to be one tough SOB. Training is still tough but soft compared to what they had to do to pass muster back then. No auto extraction air drops where you dnt even have to pull the rip chord anymore. Glick landing into enemy territory where it's otherwise inaccessible to other troops surrounding by that jungle and enemy combatants.

I stand corrected. Damn.

I know Dorfman was also a decorated veteran - ironic how many guys in these Outfit scams actually served their country prior to trying to rip it off.

Now I'll tell ya I'm biased because I served. And I can go into all aspects of it, but at the end of it my biggest surprise will be asking myself is why they flipped... prison should not be a place they are scared to face. One of the best characteristics in the military to have is integrity so they lived it their whole life-why not die with integrity? Idk why? I can't relate because I never been in their situation but that's just my opinion.

I personally don't think anyone around the Outfit had or has integrity - these guys were ripping off the retirement benefits of blue collar workers with the Teamsters - guys who were supporting families. I come from a long line of laborers active in unions - these scams did hurt people. I think some of these guys who turned to crime following the military would have done so anyway. Sociopaths.

[Tonyd621]

Spec ops back then-you have to be one tough SOB. Training is still tough but soft compared to what they had to do to pass muster back then. No auto extraction air drops where you dnt even have to pull the rip chord anymore. Glick landing into enemy territory where it's otherwise inaccessible to other troops surrounding by that jungle and enemy combatants.

I stand corrected. Damn.

I know Dorfman was also a decorated veteran - ironic how many guys in these Outfit scams actually served their country prior to trying to rip it off.

Now I'll tell ya I'm biased because I served. And I can go into all aspects of it, but at the end of it my biggest surprise will be asking myself is why they flipped... prison should not be a place they are scared to face. One of the best characteristics in the military to have is integrity so they lived it their whole life-why not die with integrity? Idk why? I can't relate because I never been in their situation but that's just my opinion.

I personally don't think anyone around the Outfit had or has integrity - these guys were ripping off the retirement benefits of blue collar workers with the Teamsters - guys who were supporting families. I come from a long line of laborers active in unions - these scams did hurt people. I think some of these guys who turned to crime following the military would have done so anyway. Sociopaths.

I'm in the ironworkers union and some immediate family members being in the labor union trades as well. I honestly can't say I've been directly effected. I got a few stories. I can't imagine being a teamster and finally get my 30 yrs or credits whatever it is now and going to cash out my pension check that I never withdrew from in all my years of working and find out there is nothing there. I mean I would maybe consider suicide if I experienced that.

[Adam]

Rosenthal (Achilles) claimed Harry Aleman and "Corky" committed the murder. (I think "Corky" was an Outfit associate nicknamed "Porky.")

I don't know what kind of relationship Rosenthal and Glick had, but I could see Rosenthal throwing some underserved dirt on him for personal reasons.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 6-10302%22

Thanks. That helps a lot. Still have trouble with the informant info though. Just have issues with Glock ordering a hit. Aleman being involved also seems odd. Not known as a west coast guy. But very possible.

Nick Calabrese was sent to Arizona to do a hit. If they send you somewhere, you go. I assume it was more like them asking Glick if she would be a problem. If he says "yes," she is gone.

Oh absolutely. And Chicago guys going west for a hit is not as weird as New York guys going out west for a hit. The one D'Arco's kid did in California was always weird. But I'm surprised Aleman never got tagged for that one if he actually went. For Christ's sake the 18 hits that are often attributed to Aleman include Kansas City ones that we know he wasn't involved in. Thought the Rand one would have popped up if that were a possibility.

But yeah, I can very much see Glick getting asked if Rand is a problem, him saying yes, and then things just happen. It was millions of dollars. But Rosenthal was a pretty self serving guy. Hew would throw shade at others.

[InCamelot]

Guys, was there any evidence at all that Angelo LaPietra was active, even in an advisory role, after his release from prison? I'm aware he sat around in his territory a lot just staring at people but was he noted to be present at any sitdowns or anything like that?

[SolarSolano]

Guys, was there any evidence at all that Angelo LaPietra was active, even in an advisory role, after his release from prison? I'm aware he sat around in his territory a lot just staring at people but was he noted to be present at any sitdowns or anything like that?

This is an excellent question and would love to know myself - also wasn't his son in law a Talarico who was apparently takign money for Angelo while he was away?