In which European city Italian OC has street presence

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In which European city Italian OC has street presence

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I mean out of Italy itself, in which city of European countries do Italian crime groups have a strong street presence? By street presence I mean actual crews, territory control and local-based criminal activities instead of simple hideouts/businesses/money laundering fronts. Italians are active in the UK, Germany, Netherlands and Spain but it seems most of the cases we have heard of are related to either the drug trade or money laundering, the clans are based in Italy and are very low-key in other European cities.
So is there any place where Italians control territories like in North America?
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I have a PDF of a 258 page report by Anna Sergi in my iBooks which would be useful to you but I don’t know how to share it here
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Thanks man, just gave it a brief glimpse, very useful report. Looks like the street presence in Switzerland is quite strong, and it makes a lot of sense because of the geographical proximity. Also for Germany, "the German Ministry of Interior and Justice claims that between 800 and 1000 ‘ndrangheta members are currently operating in Germany", I believe he means affiliates/associates not members, otherwise it would be an unbelievable number.
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Outside the US I think they are very loose with terminology...
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ThutmosisChen wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:45 pm
Thanks man, just gave it a brief glimpse, very useful report. Looks like the street presence in Switzerland is quite strong, and it makes a lot of sense because of the geographical proximity. Also for Germany, "the German Ministry of Interior and Justice claims that between 800 and 1000 ‘ndrangheta members are currently operating in Germany", I believe he means affiliates/associates not members, otherwise it would be an unbelievable number.
I don't,many members of ndrangheta emigrated in Germany in the 1950s and they form independent ndrine because its enought that 7 santisti ask the permission to San Luca create a ndrina and 7 ndrine create a Locale that have connections with the Calabria but for the other things it are independent. In Germany after the 1989 the ndrine used the drug money to buy the factories that were auctioned off during the dissolution of east germany.
A german journalist wrote a book on the ndrangheta but she was sued for defamation and losing the case must delete many names of ndraghetisti.
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probably only Koln in Germany
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Strictly speaking, there is no cosca but the south of France and the Côte d'Azur have a number of active mafiosi.

And yeah definitely in Germany too
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I've seen a high presence of street level hoods that were obviously working for higher level drug dealers in palermo specifically Ballarò and Vucciria. They got kids on the ground spotting and others whistling to get your attention to see if you want to drugs. Those markets have been ran by the mafia for centuries so it isnt a surprise that there is some influence there

Edit: I just read your talking outside of italy but I figured I'd share my experience
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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta_in_Germania

Following the Styx operation of January 2018 Nicola Gratteri declares the presence of 60 licali in German territory.

List of premises ascertained so far:

Locale of Duisburg (hypothesized)
Locale of Frankfurt
Locale of Radolfzell
Locale of Rielasingen (dependent on the Locale of Fabrizia)
Locale of Ravensburg
Local of Engen
Locale of Singen with capo locale Bruno Nesci (addicted to Crimine of Polsi since 2003)
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'Ndrangheta also has significant presence in Switzerland,here is the video of recorded meeting few years ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjXm4M3df90
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These might help:

Germany - Sicilian Mafia & Camorra
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Germany - 'Ndrangheta
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Spain
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Benelux
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Switzerland
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Strax wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:12 am These might help:

Germany - Sicilian Mafia & Camorra
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Germany - 'Ndrangheta
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Spain
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Benelux
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Switzerland
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This is awesome! which book is this from?
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JohnnySalami wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:19 am I've seen a high presence of street level hoods that were obviously working for higher level drug dealers in palermo specifically Ballarò and Vucciria. They got kids on the ground spotting and others whistling to get your attention to see if you want to drugs. Those markets have been ran by the mafia for centuries so it isnt a surprise that there is some influence there

Edit: I just read your talking outside of italy but I figured I'd share my experience
Yeah I mean in southern Italy the mafia runs everything don`t they? Every street-level dealer/thug is either connected to them or pays tribute to them otherwise they would be dead.
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Strax wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:12 am These might help:

Germany - Sicilian Mafia & Camorra
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Germany - 'Ndrangheta
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Spain
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Benelux
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Switzerland
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Strax - These are fantastic maps. What are the source of these? Or did you create them yourself?
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